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JEC · 04-11-2006, 11:15 AM

Congrats to Courtney. She truly is awesome. I saw her fence less than a month ago, and I have seen her fencing improve for the past 6 years.

***Craig*** · 04-11-2006, 11:33 AM

Working for me.

edew · 04-11-2006, 01:06 PM

One of the reasons I think why the US cadets are doing so great is that I think they've grew up under a different fencing environment. Many times, US fencers, who are all very capable fencers, would not do well at international meets because they grew up with the expectation of losing. Our younger fencers don't have that. They are growing up with an expectation of winning. And that psychological advantage is crucial at high pressure events.

Any other rationales from people?

mlr2fence · 04-11-2006, 01:14 PM

They have grown up with higher level coaches which leads to more higher level fencers to train/compete with. Also increased interest in the sport leads to more fencing opportunities. And, don't forget the internet, DVds, etc that make it easier to watch other fencers, esp foreign competitors; 20, even 15 years ago about the only way to watch the top international fencers was to go see them in person.

***Craig*** · 04-11-2006, 01:27 PM

It was early and I saw "GBR" and my brain said "GER".

Fixed now.

Craig

JEC · 04-11-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by edew

One of the reasons I think why the US cadets are doing so great is that I think they've grew up under a different fencing environment. Many times, US fencers, who are all very capable fencers, would not do well at international meets because they grew up with the expectation of losing. Our younger fencers don't have that. They are growing up with an expectation of winning. And that psychological advantage is crucial at high pressure events.

Any other rationales from people?

In the case of the Hurley's, they were mentored by top-notch fencer/parents since they were little, and Courtney always had stiff competition from her older sister. Given that she was smaller and righty (as compared to her lefty sister), her technical acumen required more variety of preparations than Kelly. Both of them continue to be coached by their parents and Paul Pesthy. They often compete abroad and participate in regional Mixed senior events against taller/stronger fencers. The future for the Senior Women's Epee team looks very bright.

Peach · 04-11-2006, 01:54 PM

Good parental perspective helps tremendously. Graham's mom has experience with competition and knows how to guide a young athlete.

Many parents lack perspective and don't know what matters; they don't know how or whether to trust a coach and what is properly the coach's business and what is the parent's business. Raising a secure and talented young athlete is partly a matter of trusting the athlete and getting your own ego out of the way, too.

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Originally Posted by edew

One of the reasons I think why the US cadets are doing so great is that I think they've grew up under a different fencing environment. Many times, US fencers, who are all very capable fencers, would not do well at international meets because they grew up with the expectation of losing. Our younger fencers don't have that. They are growing up with an expectation of winning. And that psychological advantage is crucial at high pressure events.

Any other rationales from people?

oiuyt · 04-11-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken!

Thats 3!!!

Thats [sic] illegible!!!

-B

fencerbill · 04-11-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by oiuyt

Thats [sic] illegible!!!

-B

Picky, picky, picky. Select it and it is legible. Of course it took me five minutes to figure that out!

fencerbill · 04-11-2006, 11:52 PM

Muriel Cross is seeded 10th. Unfortunately Doris Willette and Lindsay Knauer fence each other in the 64.

Matt Zich, seeded 13, won his first DE 15-7 and Bill Thanhouser won 15-11 in the 64. They will fence each other if both win in the 32. Andrew Bielen lost 15-14 in the 64.

Their 32 results should go up in about 15 minutes.

fencerbill · 04-12-2006, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Poulet

Is there some curse on this World Championships that leaves everyone who tries to report the scores incapable of doing so without making a mistake? It's Emily, not Muriel (???).

Let him who is blameless cast the first stone. Would you rather that I didn't try to enter anything?

fencerbill · 04-12-2006, 12:34 AM

Zich lost 15-14. Thanhouser in the next bout.

fencerbill · 04-12-2006, 12:37 AM

Good night.

fencerbill · 04-12-2006, 01:34 AM

The original seeds of the Junior Mens Sabre in the finals are:

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24

k9fav · 04-12-2006, 01:49 AM

fencer bill thanks for all the posts and updating. Looking forward to the rest!!

eac · 04-12-2006, 02:08 AM

k9fav: he's just going to http://www.kff2006wcjc.com/Result/Result.html and reporting over here. Much more timely results are available there

bigdawg2121 · 04-12-2006, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by fencerbill

Muriel Cross is seeded 10th. Unfortunately Doris Willette and Lindsay Knauer fence each other in the 64.

Matt Zich, seeded 13, won his first DE 15-7 and Bill Thanhouser won 15-11 in the 64. They will fence each other if both win in the 32. Andrew Bielen lost 15-14 in the 64.

Their 32 results should go up in about 15 minutes.

Muriel...not Emily?

Mr Epee · 04-12-2006, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by eac

k9fav: he's just going to http://www.kff2006wcjc.com/Result/Result.html and reporting over here. Much more timely results are available there

Thank you...

One of the things that I love about F.net is that we all have the freakin' internet, but every once in a while some poor sod forgets this basic concept and wastes everyone's time with their bastardized updates of what's going on in the world.

edew · 04-12-2006, 04:52 AM

Willette and Cross in the final-8 of JWF. Good and bad: they're not fencing each other. Good in that they won't beat each other up. Bad in that it won't guarantee a bronze at least.

eac · 04-12-2006, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by edew

One of the reasons I think why the US cadets are doing so great is that I think they've grew up under a different fencing environment. Many times, US fencers, who are all very capable fencers, would not do well at international meets because they grew up with the expectation of losing. Our younger fencers don't have that. They are growing up with an expectation of winning. And that psychological advantage is crucial at high pressure events.

Any other rationales from people?

That's probably part of it, but I have an unsubstantiated hunch that US fencers also start earlier than elsewhere. The fact that we even have a Y10 category at Nationals was thought of as really strange by one Eastern European coach I talked to. The fact that these fencers are sometimes actually pretty good fencers against normal-sized people means that when they reach age 15 or so, they have a ton of competitive experience, probably more than those in other countries.