04-06-2006, 07:06 PM
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| do you have to have your name on you jackets?
do you have to have your name on your jacket for a tournament?
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04-06-2006, 07:11 PM
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| For any "official" USFA tournaments you need your name on either the front of your rear leg or back. If you choose the back then it must be on your lame if you fence Foil or Sabre.
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04-06-2006, 07:36 PM
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#3 | | Armorer
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Originally Posted by Morion For any "official" USFA tournaments you need your name on either the front of your rear leg or back. If you choose the back then it must be on your lame if you fence Foil or Sabre. | That is of course for "official" "National" USFA tournaments. It is not required for Regional, Divisional, or club competitions.
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04-06-2006, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr That is of course for "official" "National" USFA tournaments. It is not required for Regional, Divisional, or club competitions. | It's also technically required for qualifiers for national events, including some divisional and sectional events, though this is intermittently enforced. | 
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04-06-2006, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs It's also technically required for qualifiers for national events, including some divisional and sectional events, though this is intermittently enforced. | Better for a completely uninformed newbie from a questionable club to find out that each of his/her bout will start with a Red Card due to lack of name on uniform, he/she will need to procure a plastron and long socks, will need to get new knickers because there's no way to avoid showing flank with what he/she's wearing, etc etc etc at a qualifiers (a.k.a. "1st round of Nationals") than potentially flying across the continent, spending a fortune on hotels, entry fees, etc and get broadsided with all these "crazy rules" at the National Championships.
I've had a couple of occasions where I was informed by a parent/coach prior to a bout/pool that the event was the kid's 1st/2nd tournament experience EVER.... I've also had a young fencer walk up to me once with wrist-end of his bodycord (weapon-end) hooked up to the reel cord?!?! Of course, I'm talking about NAC and/or National Championships here?!?!
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04-07-2006, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs It's also technically required for qualifiers for national events, including some divisional and sectional events, though this is intermittently enforced. | In the same vein, FIE blades, jackets and masks are required for ALL Division 1 competitions as they are part of the qualification for getting to the World Championship. Also the USFA has stated in the rule book anything goes as far as what is on the uniform for local, divisional and sectional competitions.
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04-07-2006, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr In the same vein, FIE blades, jackets and masks are required for ALL Division 1 competitions as they are part of the qualification for getting to the World Championship. Also the USFA has stated in the rule book anything goes as far as what is on the uniform for local, divisional and sectional competitions. | Really. For the longest time, I've thought that FIE stuff has only been needed for the actual international competition, not div I. My stuff passed in two separate div I NACs without the plastron or the jacket being FIE. Is this new, or are the stuff-checking people just delinquent? | |
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04-07-2006, 01:59 AM
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#8 | | Friend of Fencing
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| Heh. When was the last time your referee asked to see your plastron in its entirety to ensure that it does, in fact, have a sleeve attached to it and that its seams are at different spots than a jacket? Or for that matter, when was the last time your armourer put your weapon through a "gauge" and test the flexibility of the blade while he/she's at it? 
Lots of stuff we don't check for.
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04-07-2006, 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by eac Really. For the longest time, I've thought that FIE stuff has only been needed for the actual international competition, not div I. My stuff passed in two separate div I NACs without the plastron or the jacket being FIE. Is this new, or are the stuff-checking people just delinquent? | That's DHC being sarcastic. | |
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04-07-2006, 02:42 AM
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| My name is stenciled on the back of my jacket, and sabre lame', with the USA insignia on the leg of my knickers.
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04-07-2006, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK That's DHC being sarcastic. | Actually I am not being sarcastic, I am being serious. If you are going to require names at the divisional and sectional qualifiers, where there is no vendor to do the names, then the same standard should be required for Division 1.
Getting on the U.S. Team to get to the Worlds require National points. You get National points at Division 1 competitions. Therefore they are part of the qualifiers for International competition. If the requirement is that you must go by the rules of the competiton that you are qualifying for, then Division 1 competitions should require FIE equipment.
Someone has complained about the lack of names at some qualifiers and I have always used this resoning. If the USFA is going to require the divisions and sections to enforce this requirement, then I will insist they follow it themselves.
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