Homer Kids

[Go? Fencing?]

Originally Posted by Feltan

I don't have anything against gay people, but I do confess I don't understand the attraction they find.

As a guy, I have no idea how one guy looks at another guy's hairy ass and says, "I love you." It is enough to make me wretch just thinking about it.

Just as gay people might not be able to understand how a guy is attracted to a woman.

[bmcfencer]

Originally Posted by Go? Fencing?

Just as gay people might not be able to understand how a guy is attracted to a woman.

My dad and I were talking about this once and he put forth the theory that a lot of men don't respect straight women because they don't understand why anyone would be attracted to them (men, that is, not straight women).

I don't know many people who say I love you to their partner's arse, anyway. Not to belittle anyone's tush, but.... there are more attractive body parts. Like the eyes of the person you love, for example.

Oh, and if being raised in a gay household makes you gay, why doesn't being raised by hetero parents always make you straight? *raises eyebrow*

[melihop]

Originally Posted by Feltan

As a guy, I have no idea how one guy looks at another guy's hairy ass and says, "I love you." It is enough to make me wretch just thinking about it.

I know you are supportive - reading this just makes me wonder - how is a girl suppossed to look at a guy's hairy ass and say "i love you" how is that any differnt.. a yucky hairy ass is a yucky hairy ass no matter who is looking at it...

[Feltan]

Originally Posted by melihop

I know you are supportive - reading this just makes me wonder - how is a girl suppossed to look at a guy's hairy ass and say "i love you" how is that any differnt.. a yucky hairy ass is a yucky hairy ass no matter who is looking at it...

You'll have to ask a girl. As I said, I have no idea....

Regards,
Feltan

[Feltan]

Originally Posted by Go? Fencing?

Just as gay people might not be able to understand how a guy is attracted to a woman.

True. But that is their problem; I have enough problems of my own.

Regards,
Feltan

[epeeisky]

Originally Posted by Feltan

You'll have to ask a girl. As I said, I have no idea....

Regards,
Feltan

Umm she is a girl. I think that was her point that she cannot see love in a hairy ass, so how could another man.

[Feltan]

Originally Posted by epeeisky

Umm she is a girl. I think that was her point that she cannot see love in a hairy ass, so how could another man.

The point being, she should ask another girl....not me....I have no idea...

Regards,
Feltan

[LUDICROUS]

I believe that being raised by 2 fathers or 2 mothers puts the child at a disadvantage, so to speak. Simply by missing out on the experience of not having a mother or a father. Granted, other people can take on that role, but still.

[trazom]

Originally Posted by LUDICROUS

I believe that being raised by 2 fathers or 2 mothers puts the child at a disadvantage, so to speak. Simply by missing out on the experience of not having a mother or a father. Granted, other people can take on that role, but still.

So, since a likely alternative to gays and lesbians adopting kids who otherwise were not being adopted, you are saying that its better to grow up without ANY parents than to have 2 dads or 2 moms.

Or better to have a mom and dad who beat the crap out of each other/ are drug addicts/ other lousy households than two loving, caring gays or lesbians. We're talking about kids up for adoption - they weren't in the best of households before *or* had terrible tragedy strike their house.

Ideally, all kids should grow up with great role models of all shapes, sizes, genders, colors, creeds, belief systems, political affiliations, etc. Then they can learn to judge people solely for "the content of their soul". We're still a long ways from that.

[Fencergrl]

Originally Posted by LUDICROUS

I believe that being raised by 2 fathers or 2 mothers puts the child at a disadvantage, so to speak. Simply by missing out on the experience of not having a mother or a father. Granted, other people can take on that role, but still.

Not being adopted you miss out on having a stable home. Having duplicates of one gender of parents is better than none at all.

[sandworm]

so straight people should get first dibbs?
ok that sounded childish, i but you know what i mean.

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by trazom

So, since a likely alternative to gays and lesbians adopting kids who otherwise were not being adopted

I don't know that this is a valid assumption. How do we know that the choice is between adoption by gay couples or none at all? I suspect that most gay couples are no more eager to adopt older children and those with "problems" than are most straight couples. Have we reason to know that gays are not competing mostly for the "cute infant" segment of the orphan market and neglecting the rest?

Or better to have a mom and dad who beat the crap out of each other/ are drug addicts/ other lousy households than two loving, caring gays or lesbians.

Are we to idealize gay couples and assume that they do not have their share of dysfunctions? That there are fewer abusive gays than straights? That more gay couples are "perfect" parents than straight couples?

If the goal is to promote a society in which gays are thought of as no different than straights, it is no more legitimate to imply that they are somehow "better" than straights than it is to imply that they are worse. People are people, and ALL people suffer from human faults. This is not somehow ameliorated by a given sexual orientation.

[trazom]

I thought we could use some stats in this discussion. All come from http://nccanch.acf.hhs.gov/pubs/factsheets/foster.cfm

It appears that 20% of all kids in foster care are in the "to be adopted" category. That is slightly above 110,000 who are in 'to be adopted' in the nation, each year. Of these, roughly 50,000 are adopted each year.

In other words, there are 60,000 kids who are eligible for adoption in the US each year who just get passed onto the next year.

47% of all kids up for adoption are have been waiting 3 years, 24% have been waiting over 5 years.


You can't say that its better to have the kids wait for years to be adopted than to expand the pool of potential parents by including gay and lesbian couples.

[Inquartata]

But I CAN say that "expanding the pool" will not necessarily get any more of those kids adopted. Because gay couples looking to adopt may very well not want the ones straight couples are passing over any more than the straight couples do. In other words the market, if you will, for children is segmented. Infants are in great demand, teens are not, and children with behavioral, medical, developmental or criminal/drug problems still less so. Why do you think that with so many of these available affluent parents are adopting from abroad instead? Because they want cute widdle babies, not 12-year-olds from abusive homes with histories of starting fires or smashing furniture.

Gay couples are just as subject to these wants and preferences as straight couples...or that is my suspicion. Or do you think that they are immunized to the vagaries of human nature by their sexual orientation?

[trazom]

As far as the only kids not being adopted being the older ones, the stats in the article indicate that the vast majority of kids waiting to be adopted entered when they were very young - under 5 years old.

I couldn't drill into the stats to find out what ages exactly were adopted, and at what age the child entered the system. It seems that even the very young (ages 1-5) only have about a 50% chance of getting adopted. There are very few older children in the system. 61% of the kids waiting to be adopted are under 5, only 10% are over 11. There are more older children in foster care, but, they are not in the adoption list for whatever reason.

I do not think that any group of people is less subject to the vagaries of human nature. I also think that many of those people who go outside the US to adopt are usually trying to do one of three things: get a child when they would have been deemed ineligible by the US, get a child faster than going through US services, or have some explicit interest in raising a child from that country - usually their heritage or some other fairly close ties to that country. Those people I personally know who have adopted from abroad were using reason #3.

[lochinvar]

Originally Posted by Feltan

P.S. I think some people have got RL pegged.....I am guessing he is a cigar smoker in secret.

We prefer the expression "he wears comfortable shoes".

[Feltan]

Originally Posted by lochinvar

We prefer the expression "he wears comfortable shoes".

I guess I have to get with the times.

Regards,
Feltan

[CountAntonio]

absolutely the homosexual people i have known in my life have been some of the nicest smartest and respectful people i have ever come across. To take away theyre ability to be parents strictly cause of their sexual prefrence is just wrong. Though I agree it will be difficult for a young kid to have two fathers go to his open house at scool i think that is a fault in society itself and not the homosexual parents so lets hope it will eventually it changes. We are all people after all.

[RoninX]

Thats a pretty ridiculous thing to say. You "can't think of anything worse" eh?

What about being being by your dad while your mom shoot up in the corner. What about sleeping on the street every night or being shuttled around to foster homes until you are eighteen without ever knowing a sense of continuous family?

Besides, my parents, and NO parents I have ever seen (gay or straight) have ever "made out" "petted" on the couch while there kid was in the same room watching the TV. You are clearly victim to some absurd stereotypes. I'll refrain from guessing about any bizarre or traumitized experiences your parents foisted upon you.

You might want to log off and visit the real world though.

[RoninX]

No more so than "normal" people, I can see you have never bothered to meet or get to know any gay people. I'm sure you're proud of that fact though.