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kmak_577 · 04-02-2006, 04:12 PM

Please tell me your favourite sabre move and why you like it so much (as I will try it out

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Thanks,
kmak_577

Poulet · 04-02-2006, 05:05 PM

One crowd-pleaser I've always enjoyed is as follows:

1) Grasp your weapon with one hand on the handle and one hand grasping the very tip of the blade.
2) Bring your hands together.
3) Pull your hands apart.
4) Repeat steps 2 and 3 as necessary until blade has broken.
5) Grasp handle in weapon-side hand.
6) Kneel.
7) Aim the end of the blade at your throat.
8) Thrust.

I_luv_saber · 04-02-2006, 05:06 PM

Hmm... There is one sneaky little devil that is sometimes useful. If you are a right-handed vs. right-handed, then you simply attack to their 4 (your outside) and second-intention a parry 6. This is one of the very few instances I have seen where a 6 is actually useful, but it is extremely limited as it is a second-intention and it is towards only the head.

Along the same lines I was wondering if you could do the same thing, but if your opponent catches your second intention swing into a 4 or even a 7 (

swanky!). I'm skeptical at how useful it would be though. However a 6 second intention after attacking from your outside is quite useful.

Cyranox11 · 04-04-2006, 04:08 AM

Parrying seconde with riposte against Jason Rogers TWICE at World Champs last year: only 2 points I got off him, but it was worth it!

cs3dswb · 04-04-2006, 07:20 AM

Stop hit to outside of sword wrist. After hitting continue to spin off the piste and die in a dizzying display of bravado and lunacy. Saw someone win a final with this hit, very nice.

If you want to be somewhat tamer then

1) step in
2) fly back with a stop hit to wrist as they take the extra step to try and reach you.

course off the piste there is always

1) hold sabre on the pommelly bit at the end.
2) Point on the ground - straight down
3) push down till the blade is bent a fair bit.
4) let go.
5) catch as handle comes back round.

_fence(1) · 04-04-2006, 12:39 PM

I_luv_saber, what is 6 and 7 ???

rcmatthews · 04-04-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by _fence(1)

I_luv_saber, what is 6 and 7 ???

Very useful sabre parries

KD5MDK · 04-04-2006, 06:29 PM

Only if you mean foil 6. Sabre 6 is a reversed 5, and much less useful (though occasionally your only hope). Foil 7... I think you're really better off using 2. The hand positions in foil and sabre are sufficiently different that there's no benefit to 7 over 2, and it seems quite awkward to me.

sabreur · 04-05-2006, 04:26 AM

My favorite sabre move is good preparation, which creates an instant of tempo where my opponent is flat-footed, and I can basically walk up to him/her and hit with a straight head cut.

Teme · 04-05-2006, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sabreur

My favorite sabre move is good preparation, which creates an instant of tempo where my opponent is flat-footed, and I can basically walk up to him/her and hit with a straight head cut.

Sure, but that takes so much time to learn it's quicker to start nipping eyelashes from a fruitfly with the tip of your saber. And then most of the time goes to getting the durn fly not to blink when you hit...

sabreur · 04-05-2006, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Teme

Sure, but that takes so much time to learn it's quicker to start nipping eyelashes from a fruitfly with the tip of your saber. And then most of the time goes to getting the durn fly not to blink when you hit...

Me, I never torture flies.

But it is a lot better for your game to focus on the core issue, which is winning tempo, than to lust after a bunch of wild-assed flash moves (feint-stop cut, followed by a feint parry 2, followed by a prime-pris de fer when your opponent cuts to chest) that you are likely to use maybe once in your life if you are lucky.

Teme · 04-05-2006, 06:06 AM

Oh, the flys are all volunteers.

You're preaching to the choir. My routine act when my pupils (few and far between, but that's not the point) get to hold saber for the first time is right after explaning (and showing, and correcting a few times) how to hold it, is to put on my mask and go stand infront of them and tell 'em to hit me. "See, that was easy". Then I take two steps back, and tell them the hard part is covering that distance to get into position to do the easy part.
Then usually follows a short footwork session (amazingly difficult with a weapon!), after which I show the 'proper' way to hit.

rcmatthews · 04-05-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

Only if you mean foil 6. Sabre 6 is a reversed 5, and much less useful (though occasionally your only hope). Foil 7... I think you're really better off using 2. The hand positions in foil and sabre are sufficiently different that there's no benefit to 7 over 2, and it seems quite awkward to me.

My instructor calls that reverse 5 "the masters parry". From what I understand, it is only to be used in coaching situations. It is very difficult to riposte out of, and the riposte is also very slow. Although, you must remember, there are different numbering systems for the parries, for instance the one I was taught does not even have a seven in it, although it is for sabre only.

By the way, I was being sarcastic about 6 and 7 being useful.

I_luv_saber · 04-05-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rcmatthews

My instructor calls that reverse 5 "the masters parry". From what I understand, it is only to be used in coaching situations. It is very difficult to riposte out of, and the riposte is also very slow. Although, you must remember, there are different numbering systems for the parries, for instance the one I was taught does not even have a seven in it, although it is for sabre only.

By the way, I was being sarcastic about 6 and 7 being useful.

Usually true. Heh, normally I only use them to impress begginers. Must convert them quick you know

!

But from an attack to the outside, a quick second-intention to 6 work quite well. It's fast, and almost guarantees to suprise your opponent a little! Worked when I used it anyway... but then again I was against a lefty.

But aside from that... both parries are practically useless, never use them.

I_luv_saber · 04-05-2006, 04:16 PM

Oh, by the way, to whomever asked...

A seven is a veeery awkward parry. Easiest way I can explain: go to a 5 position, turn your hand facing the opposite direction, and change the angle of your blade so it runs parallel your body. Yeees the OUTSIDE of your body. Oddest thing I've ever seen, I really can't imagine how it EVER would have been useful...

KD5MDK · 04-05-2006, 05:18 PM

Very very deep cut to flank, probably while they fleched past you.

Link14 · 04-05-2006, 07:23 PM

I was going to say that I haven't seen or done a 7th parry since they did away with the fleche in sabre.

rcmatthews · 04-05-2006, 08:17 PM

I will admit that its pretty cool looking when its done.

Inquartata · 04-05-2006, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rcmatthews

My instructor calls that reverse 5 "the masters parry".

No, the Master's Parry is catching your opponent's cut on the tip of your blade.

But seriously, 6 is also known as St. George's parry, because of the many medieval depictions of him fighting the dragon with his sword in this position.

rcmatthews · 04-06-2006, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Inquartata

But seriously, 6 is also known as St. George's parry, because of the many medieval depictions of him fighting the dragon with his sword in this position.

I hadn't even noticed that until now. And with all this talk about it, I am going to be sure to use it multiple times against the next scrub that I fence.