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KD5MDK · 04-06-2006, 02:36 AM

Your scrubs are dragons?

sabreur · 04-06-2006, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

Your scrubs are dragons?

I actually root for the dragons, myself. But if I had to go up against one, I think I'd prefer a lance to a sabre.

rcmatthews · 04-06-2006, 04:10 AM

What I meant was:

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I hadn't even thought about the similarity in the parry 6 to the commonly depicted image of St. George, until Inquartata mentioned it. (Full Stop).

And with all this talk about the parry 6, I am going to be sure to use it multiple times against the next scrub that I fence.

keropie · 04-06-2006, 04:12 AM

There's an interesting (in my opinion) book out there called Dragonsbane by Barbara Hambly that talks about a (more realistic) way to kill a dragon... and I don't think that lances or sabers were involved

KD5MDK · 04-06-2006, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sabreur

I actually root for the dragons, myself. But if I had to go up against one, I think I'd prefer a lance to a sabre.

I think I'd prefer a Mk19 Automatic Grenade Launcher, or something to that effect. Maybe one of those 20mm automatic cannon you see on WW2 vessels for air defense.

keropie · 04-06-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

I think I'd prefer a Mk19 Automatic Grenade Launcher, or something to that effect. Maybe one of those 20mm automatic cannon you see on WW2 vessels for air defense.

That's a different book in (The Doomfarers of Coromonde, I don't remember the author) in which an APC (complete with soldiers) gets ripped out of Vietnam into the fantasy world of Coromonde... and yes, the dragon comes in second...

KD5MDK · 04-06-2006, 04:49 PM

Brian Daley, Google says.

I have to say I like the Legion for Videssos series for that sort of thing, or "Guns of the South". Both by Harry Turtledove.

keropie · 04-06-2006, 07:50 PM

Brian Daley sounds right, and who am I to argue with google? And I did enjoy the Videssos Cycle, as well as 163x (1632, 1633, etc.), but there aren't very many dragons that I recall in either

KD5MDK · 04-07-2006, 12:36 AM

A better version of the 163X story is S.M. Stirling's "Island in the Sea of Time" series. Now that's a ton of fun.

Back on topic, my favorite sabre move is the attack.

BoneHeadIII · 09-26-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by I_luv_saber

Oddest thing I've ever seen, I really can't imagine how it EVER would have been useful...

talking about parry 6.

If you catch an inside beat to cheek, parry 6 is pretty much your only solution. That's the only situation I know of that 6 is the only answer to. (Besides bailing out of course)

I've heard it suggested that it could be handy if you catch a feint to 4 followed by an attack to head that it might be quicker (if you fell for the 4) to cover head with 6 instead of 5, but I'm not so sure about that.

headcut · 09-27-2008, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by I_luv_saber

Oh, by the way, to whomever asked...
A seven is a veeery awkward parry. Easiest way I can explain: go to a 5 position, turn your hand facing the opposite direction, and change the angle of your blade so it runs parallel your body. Yeees the OUTSIDE of your body. Oddest thing I've ever seen, I really can't imagine how it EVER would have been useful...

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Very very deep cut to flank, probably while they fleched past you.

Back in the day when a fleche was allowed, you would need to defend your flank as you ran by. 7 was used if you fleched to your non-weapon hand side and 8 was used if you fleched to your weapon-hand side. I used 8 all the time and could even get a riposte in sometimes when distance allowed.

Also little known is a 9th parry. It was shown to me a very long time ago and was a really weird behind the head or back parry (I think). I don't remember exactly how to do it but would love to hear from someone who does know what the 9th parry is. Maybe some sabre historian would know.

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I was going to say that I haven't seen or done a 7th parry since they did away with the fleche in sabre.

Well, I'm an old-timer and I fence against another old-timer and when I fleche by, I'm still using parry 8 for my flank. Nothing like a good fleche in sabre... esp to the head!

fencerbill · 09-28-2008, 12:07 AM

I remember watching Ed Korfanty using an unusual parry in a bout. Not sure whether it was 6th, 7th or Master's parry. Still haven't decoded the descriptions described here.

Rock · 09-28-2008, 04:36 AM

The sabre parry #6 would be, in foil terminology, a high parry #4 moving the point to the right for right-handers, and to the left for left-handers.

The sabre parry #7 would be, in foil terminology, a high parry#8 moved back by the shoulder.

fencerbill · 09-28-2008, 01:31 PM

Then it would be a 6th.

Rock · 09-28-2008, 09:29 PM

It's not a foil 6 (the sabre 7, that is). The point is lower than the hand, both in the foil 8 and the sabre 7.

BrodeurNJD30 · 09-29-2008, 01:04 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faLD7nLAPJo
the move is done at 2:09

still photo of move in a different bout is on my profile here.

BoneHeadIII · 09-29-2008, 11:30 AM

Parry six is shown here.

Also some interesting illustrations on this site for 17th century Polish saber.

Parry 7 (at least I was taught) was vertical behind your back to defend against an attack as you were passing from a fleche. I've never heard of 8 but I would assume it's the same concept as 7 on the other side (though I was taught to do 7 pretty close to center to cover either side). I've never heard of a parry 9 either, but would guess that it's also defending the back, maybe covering head from behind?

headcut · 09-29-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneHeadIII

Parry six is shown here.

Also some interesting illustrations on this site for 17th century Polish saber.

Parry 7 (at least I was taught) was vertical behind your back to defend against an attack as you were passing from a fleche. I've never heard of 8 but I would assume it's the same concept as 7 on the other side (though I was taught to do 7 pretty close to center to cover either side). I've never heard of a parry 9 either, but would guess that it's also defending the back, maybe covering head from behind?

You're right. 7 and 8 are on opposite sides. When I use 8, I move the parry from the side to the center of my back as I pass by. It's amazing how many attacks I've parried with 8... and actually made some ripostes from it.

From what you mention, I do think that parry 9 might just be a behind the head parry. My coach showed it to me and he looked contorted doing it. I paid it no attention so didn't remember it. I had other more important things to learn than parry 9. However, now I've got my curiosity going and want to find out what parry 9 really is.

Shi no Tenshi · 10-02-2008, 09:32 AM

I've used 6 on occasion, against a lefty that likes an inside beat to head attack. Uses the momentum nicely, and the rotation of the reposte does a nice cut to chest. I've also used it as a replacement to 5 to throw somebody off a bit.

My favorite thing to do is a bind in 2 to a back cut across the face. It's great fun.

Inquartata · 10-02-2008, 06:17 PM

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My favorite thing to do is a bind in 2 to a back cut across the face. It's great fun.

AKA the Podzniakov Maneuver?