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Old 04-03-2006, 03:15 AM   #21
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Awwwwww... that would just be too cute. Could you imagine a ceremony occurring between pools and DEs at a NAC? Or several hundred fencers at a post-tournament reception?
I believe oiuyt said he and his fiancee figure only at a National Tournament will all the people they want as guests be able to attend.
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Yep because we have to inclued the armourer staffs as well
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Awwwwww... that would just be too cute. Could you imagine a ceremony occurring between pools and DEs at a NAC? Or several hundred fencers at a post-tournament reception?
Can you imagine if it was an open bar?!
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Can you imagine if it was an open bar?!
That's it. I'm forging love letters between Mauler and Adelia now. Can anyone help me with Adelia's handwriting? Mine isn't girly enough to fool Mauler.
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Just so that there is no confusion (I received quite a few responses asking if I'm really disappearing), since I've made the initial post, I have travelled 400+ miles and crossed statelines 5 times in order to referee at National Qualifiers for two local divisions. I believe I've personally reffed 9 events in that time, most of which I've reffed from beginning to end, non-stop. Only break being a brief inhaling of a sandwich. Like Mr Miyagi say, "Breeze in sandwich, you go ref now."

So rest assured, my obsessive compulsive psycho refereeing days are not in jeopardy. (although there is apparently now an issue of a potential lawsuit borne out of a particular Black Card I issued this weeked, so I might need to call on some folks for character testimony on my refereeing "style") THAT, is not an April Fool's joke, although the notion of it was just as funny.

Besides, how could I cancel out on all those gigs I'm signed up for? I'm even booked for reffing at events 3 yrs from now! It would be a terrible thing to back out now and cause them inconvenience of having to find a replacement with only a few years notice!?!
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Yep because we have to inclued the armourer staffs as well
See, that's the scary part. Not only do I expect and respect you to perform the duties and responsibilities of a "shotgun dad," but you are also an "armouring dad".... which means you can fail any and all equipment presented for the remainder of my life as you see fit. Now, THAT's putting fear into a young man's heart.
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That's it. I'm forging love letters between Mauler and Adelia now. Can anyone help me with Adelia's handwriting? Mine isn't girly enough to fool Mauler.


I don't think so.

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That's it. I'm forging love letters between Mauler and Adelia now. Can anyone help me with Adelia's handwriting? Mine isn't girly enough to fool Mauler.
Are you trying to get me into trouble?
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I don't think so.

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Actually, I suspect that you COULD do quite a good job of helping with Adelia's handwriting.... :)

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More importantly, has he already succeeded? Tune in next NAC for the next episode of "The Young and the Referees".
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It was just a joke everyone. I have been threated with a beating by a sabre and she is faster then I.

PS: We all know what she can do with a sabre I fear for my life. "Dad is Dead'
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Yeah, if people thought her holding up a penalty card was scary enough, they haven't seen her punch someone on the shoulders yet. If y'all see my Referee Hand Signal be all sloppy at the next NAC, you know what happened....
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So rest assured, my obsessive compulsive psycho refereeing days are not in jeopardy. (although there is apparently now an issue of a potential lawsuit borne out of a particular Black Card I issued this weeked, so I might need to call on some folks for character testimony on my refereeing "style") THAT, is not an April Fool's joke, although the notion of it was just as funny.
Ok, spill the beans on this particular bit of information...

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Old 04-03-2006, 07:52 PM   #34
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Can a Referee be sued for issuing a Black Card.... ^___^

Heh, here it goes.....

It wasn't so much about the Black Card, but what happened afterwards.

National Champs qualifiers. Girls Sabre. 3rd place bout to determne who qualifies and who doesn't. 7-7, and her opponent scores, at which point the fencer turns around frustrated, whips off her mask, letting it fly, and goes into a long string of expletives, showing no signs of restraining herself.

Out comes the appropriate penalty, score sheet is filled out, the victor signs and brings it to the Bout Committee. As I'm going through this procedure, I'm also keeping a mental count of the choice words being used, but I stop counting after 12 because she's just not going to stop. And I can't count that high, which is why I always use a paper when I ref.

As if being excluded from the event as a fencer wasn't enough, the now-spectator moves onto a different spot in the venue and continues to get louder at her displeasure, still maintaining her style of verbage. So I intervene to no avail, and she gets a spectator ejection.

Everything up to this is pretty standard routine, of course. It's what happened after that which flagged the day as an event-of-interest....

The fencer's mother is genuinely curious as to what just had occurred, and she doesn't seem to understand exactly what it is that her daughter did is wrong. So I explain to her that while participating in a fencing competition, and present in a fencing venue, the behavior as exhibited by her daughter is not acceptable, and that there are corresponding penalties.

She has this blank stare for a moment, and then walks away. Figured that was that.

Several minutes later, the event organizer/bout committee hears my report while the mother is within earshot. Upon completion of the report, the mother turns hysterical. Like, we-may-need-to-call-911 hysterical. She goes onto claim that I've caused her daughter physical and mental harm by denying her right to go to Summer Nationals, (how dare I) and now she's disappeared off to who knows where.

I resume my duty as a referee as there are still bouts that need to be finished in another event. And the event goes on.

Apparently, while the event continued, the mother had been going in and out of the venue putting on quite the drama. When the time came for the award ceremony, however, she was good enough to briefly calm herself, after which she immediately resumed displaying..... shall we say, her "interesting personality." She was quite verbose in expressing her intention to petition the USFA for her daughter's qualification to the Summer Nationals, as well as taking me to court-of-law over this outrageous atrocity.

The event organizer intervenes again to set her straight, educating her on the limits of duties and responsiblities of event functionaries as well as conditions of USFA membership and participation in its events.

The fencer's boyfriend, who, btw from my own past observations, is a fine young gentleman of a good heart and good manners, had apparently chased and accompanied the girl when she had run off. Upon their return, the mother proclaims that she is going to taker her daughter to the hospital and we are going to hear from her lawyer.

I come to find out through other sources later on that what had happened is not surprising at all, and that this is totally characterlogical of this lady.

The entire time, I figured that the mother's intention was to rouse an emotional reaction out of me as she continued to escalate the drama of the situation. I, of course, took it as a welcome practice opportunity to work on my "Mr. Roboto" persona, which made it even funnier to those who were unfortunate enough to have to witness this.

So that's just about the jist of what happened. Sorry to disappoint if it wasn't interesting enough. But perhaps it might set a precedence of legal cases borne out a referee's call in our sport?
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Would love to know if she had ever been black carded before, or if she'd been allowed to exhibit this kind of behavior at previous divisional events without repercussions --from coaches, refs, fellow fencers or, God forbid, parents.

Sounds like in that family, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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Both the fencer and the mother certainly acted as if they've never heard of such ridiculous notion before: bad behavior --> consequence? Mixed in with a dose of "How dare you people?" attitude.

You know, aside from the USFA legal resources, it would be up to the FOC's to provide the most accurate professional assessment of my performance, temprement and customer service orientation, seeing that they are, by definition, my closest supervisors within the industry.... I wonder about the looks on their faces when they find out that I have been accused of being mean, rude and traumatizing to a young fencer....

I'd imagine it wouldn't be unlike the time I was acccused of not taking refereeing seriously....
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Would love to know if she had ever been black carded before, or if she'd been allowed to exhibit this kind of behavior at previous divisional events without repercussions --from coaches, refs, fellow fencers or, God forbid, parents.

Sounds like in that family, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Well, the part that struck me the most is that the she saw her daughter do this, but she honestly could not understand what her daughter did that was so wrong? Like, the very concept that her daughter misbehaved passed right over her head and she missed it.

The drama that ensued afterwards helped me understand why.
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That is one of the most ridiculous and yet most frightening stories I have ever heard.
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I wonder about the looks on their faces when they find out that I have been accused of being mean, rude and traumatizing to a young fencer.


Perhaps you really WILL be Zen Referee signing off!

In my many experiences witnessing your refereeing -- and my kid, too -- I've never seen you mean or rude. Traumatizing, now that's another story...
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