03-31-2006, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by fencerbill We went over this years ago with Carla Richards. You cannot consider the foreign fencers to have classifications when considering classifications earned by US fencers. Even if you watched them previously finish where a US fencer would have earned a classification. It can only be used for seeding subsequent tournaments. |  Um...isn't that basically the only thing a rating is used for anyway? I'm not sure that I understand the distinction you're making. You're saying that he just becomes a non-USFA member who is treated like a C-rated fencer in USFA events, right? | 
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03-31-2006, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by tbryan Um...isn't that basically the only thing a rating is used for anyway? I'm not sure that I understand the distinction you're making. You're saying that he just becomes a non-USFA member who is treated like a C-rated fencer in USFA events, right? | If they are not a USFA member, their previous accomplishment that would have earned them a USFA classification cannot be used to establish the strength of the event. For one thing, the USFA office cannot check their records to verify the classification.
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03-31-2006, 11:23 AM
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| We have a regular American fencer at our club (me)--he's pretty good for an old guy. We also get occasional other Americans and Canadians visiting. 
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03-31-2006, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by fencerbill If they are not a USFA member, their previous accomplishment that would have earned them a USFA classification cannot be used to establish the strength of the event. For one thing, the USFA office cannot check their records to verify the classification. | So, if a top non-USFA fencer comes to the US for a few weeks, that fencer can never contribute to the strength of the event, even if the fencer is rated #1 in the world, and regardless of how they place in various tournaments?
In other words, letting good, non-USFA (but FIE licensed) fencers compete in a tournament could turn your A4 into a D1, if non-USFA fencers took the top 8 places? Even if they had "earned" ratings in prior USFA competitions? | |
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03-31-2006, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK My understanding is that there is a special receprocity agreement between the USFA and the CFF that allows members to fence in each others tournaments. For other countries, I believe a USFA membership or FIE license are required. (FWIW, the FIE license is cheaper.) However, please do not take postings on a message board by me on this subject to be the basis for any policy. | but to get the FIE license you have to go through a federation anyway, so you pay for that.
we get quite a few foreigners resident in London, including an American  , coming to our club. 
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03-31-2006, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by trazom So, if a top non-USFA fencer comes to the US for a few weeks, that fencer can never contribute to the strength of the event, even if the fencer is rated #1 in the world, and regardless of how they place in various tournaments?
In other words, letting good, non-USFA (but FIE licensed) fencers compete in a tournament could turn your A4 into a D1, if non-USFA fencers took the top 8 places? Even if they had "earned" ratings in prior USFA competitions? | Only if they had joined the USFA and then earned the classifications.
Let me give you a real example. 18 fencers all with valid licenses, 2 with USFA "B" ratings, 3 with USFA "C" ratings, a couple more with "D" or lower USFA ratings. There were at least 2 "B" ratings and 2 "C" ratings in the top 8.
Did the winner earn a "B" classification?
No, I did not even renew my "C" for winning the 2002 Sabre plus 60 World Championship.
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03-31-2006, 08:46 PM
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| Hey Seek I train with the Puerto Rican national team who did you have over there? | |
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