The United States of Burrito Men

[yeoldearmourer]

It is a invasion and the do gooders in this country need to wake up to the fact that the Mexican Government would like nothing better to make Calif and the Gadsden purchase staes back as states of Mexico.

[ReverseLunge]

Nope. That is not what they want. They know that they couldn't manage it. They can't even manage Mexico. What they want is immediate American Citizenship, free healthcare, free education, free housing, unlimited welfare, unlimited government child support, Spanish as the national language and right to force their culture and values on us.

The Democrats want them here in order to naturalize as many as possible to get more votes while the Republicans want them here for cheap labor.

I respect Mexicans, they are great people who come to our land in the pursuit of freedom and equality. Soon because of them we can all be equally poor, miserable, impoverished, filthy, unhealthy and hopeless. VIVA LA RASA!

[yeoldearmourer]

Yet old pepole who have work hard all of their lives can't get the help they need. No welfare, no healthcare. The illeagals dont see why they have to learn English or are culture

[Zilverzmurfen]

Originally Posted by yeoldearmourer

Yet old pepole who have work hard all of their lives can't get the help they need. No welfare, no healthcare. The illeagals dont see why they have to learn English or are culture

Heh, 'sounds a bit like Sweden is becoming... ( )

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by ReverseLunge

Well I havent's seen that commercial but wouldn't it be a good idea to sell the house for such a profit and move to leisure world? Do you have kids that can help you move?

No, and no...

Where is Leisure World, anyway? ( I have take the liberty of capitalizing the name, since you appear too lazy to do it. )

[I_luv_saber]

Here's my 2 cents (though I'm sure I'm only repeating what others said...

1) No problem with immigrants. LEGAL immigrants. We all come from somewhere. I think a big portion of the reason illegals here are so "low-class" (dirty lawns, junk cars, etc.) is because you actually have to WORK to get legalized. It means more to you when you get here.
2) No amnesty. Period. It is a law, it is being broken, and WILL be treated as a crime.
3) Let's think why illegals are coming here... well... illegally. I mean, getting over the border, at least for quite a few illegals, is not a cake walk. This leads me to believe that either they are uneducated about how to become a legal citizen, it's too hard to become a citizen, or they don't care.
in the first case, simple ad warfare would help immensly (pamphlets, spanish tv ads, radio ads, connectability with every gov. office). in the second, we need to reform our current method of becoming a citizen. In the third, we need to get tougher on illegals.

I would have to STRONGLY disagree with anyone who says the current illegal situation does not adversly affect our economy. Overall low-wage jobs pay less BECAUSE illegals work here. They are willing to take any crap companies will dish out because it's better here. But I'll tell you what, when you've worked hard to become a citizen, you aren't gonna take quite as much crap.
And even if this wasn't true, the amount of jobs worked by illegals that white/black folk "won't do", do not outweigh all the money the government misses on taxes, etc.

So I suppose my stance is somewhere in-between. We need to figure out EXACTLY what the problem IS before we try to fix it.

My 2 cents anyways...

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by PeterGustafsson

I would recommend that you install a switch indoors to the electrical outlet outdoors. Then they will not steal your electricity, at least.

I wouldn't be too sure. Splicing into power lines and wiring up to transformers is common practice in mexico:

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...d=222087&rfi=6

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen

Heh, 'sounds a bit like Sweden is becoming... ( )

Uh oh---trouble even in Paradise, ZZ?

[I_luv_saber]

I think this can happen one of two ways...

1) We fix the illegal problem here, legals go back to Mexico in an effort to make Mexico a better country.

2) Tougher laws are made here, Mexicans get fed up crossing the border illegally, they try and make their own country better.

I think the first is the better option because first off, it leaves relations better off than second case, and second, we could probably be saving money by taking that route, as we start getting some taxes in because more people are immigrating legally.

Theres my 2 cents...

[TrainingDummy]

From Wikipedia: "The quote I do not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it is commonly misattributed to Voltaire, but is actually a summary of his attitudes, based on statements he made in Essay on Tolerance, by Evelyn Beatrice Hall (writing under the pseudonym of Stephen G. Tallentyre in The Friends of Voltaire (1906))."

Thought you might want to know.

[PeterGustafsson]

Hi!


Presently, a child born in USA is automatically granted US. citizenship. If one would limit that to children born in USA to parents both of which legally reside in USA (either citizens, or legal foreign residents) then there would be no "anchor babies".

I think that that would alleviate matters somewhat, but the hispanic lobby would obviously dislike anything going aginst their interests. Any othe pros/cons to my suggestion?


Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

[ReverseLunge]

The only thing that might work is mandatory jail time for employer who hire illegals.

[Inquartata]

Which, given the prevalence and excellence of fake documents available to illegals and the difficulty of verifying their authenticity, would just about guarantee that no one would ever hire anyone of Hispanic extraction or with a foreign accent...

Peter, the argument presented by the illegals and their defenders isn't only that some of their kids are citizens, it's that they have grown up here and have acculturated here, and thus would have great difficulties adjusting to life in Mexico or Colombia or Guatemala.

Which IMO is a bit like a bank robber claiming he shouldn't be imprisoned because then he wouldn't be able to support his kids in the lifestyle to which they are accustomed. But the illegals have very little in the way of solid logic on their side, so they have to try to pluck the heartstrings of the liberal elements of the citizenry instead.

[ReverseLunge]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

Which, given the prevalence and excellence of fake documents available to illegals and the difficulty of verifying their authenticity, would just about guarantee that no one would ever hire anyone of Hispanic extraction or with a foreign accent...

You dont think a background check and calling in the SS# would take care of that?

[latenight]

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A for effort trying to get into the US, I guess...........

[I_luv_saber]

Originally Posted by TrainingDummy

From Wikipedia: "The quote I do not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it is commonly misattributed to Voltaire, but is actually a summary of his attitudes, based on statements he made in Essay on Tolerance, by Evelyn Beatrice Hall (writing under the pseudonym of Stephen G. Tallentyre in The Friends of Voltaire (1906))."

Thought you might want to know.

Hmmm... Who'd a thunk it.

Thanks for the info!

[lochinvar]

"I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to make a complete ass of yourself by saying it."

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by ReverseLunge

You dont think a background check and calling in the SS# would take care of that?

No. It doesn't work now, why should it suddenly start working if Congress passed another law requiring it?

Plus, the government is complicit in the problem, because all of the FICA taxes paid by illegals cannot be claimed in benefits by them under current law, so the monies help shore up the SS system.

[PeterGustafsson]

Hi!

Originally Posted by Inquartata

No. It doesn't work now, why should it suddenly start working if Congress passed another law requiring it?

What?! Can that be so hard, seeing to that only precious few illegals get work and papers? Even little Sweden can do just that, so it can´t be too hard!


Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

[ReverseLunge]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

Which, given the prevalence and excellence of fake documents available to illegals and the difficulty of verifying their authenticity, would just about guarantee that no one would ever hire anyone of Hispanic extraction or with a foreign accent...

Did you have to remind me of the golden days before the reconquista?