03-27-2006, 05:30 PM
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| Adidas adiStar Shot Put
I found these shoes completely by accident... can't even remember what I was actually looking for!! But it strikes me that they could be a really good alternative to other fencing shoes on the market for a number of reasons:
1. The material wrapping round the toe area is called adiTUFF and from the looks of pictures I've seen it appears to offer alot more resistance to wear than the stuff used in the fencing specific adiStar!
2. There's a strap over the midsole of the shoe which would offer extra support.
3. It has a rounded heel like other fencing shoes.
4. The sole of the shoe appears to offer a pretty wear resistant surface while not comprimising on grip (again only going on pictures here so I could be wrong!!)
So, has anyone actually tried to fence in these? Any comments?
They're availiable in a number of places on the web, The link below is for the page on amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ance&n=1036592
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03-27-2006, 06:04 PM
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| They probably have cleats/spikes on the outsole.
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03-27-2006, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! They probably have cleats/spikes on the outsole. | That wouldn't make a whole lot of sense... most shot put circles are on a concrete pad... cleats / spikes would just significantly reduce the surface area in contact with the concrete, and hence... make you fall on your a$$.
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03-27-2006, 08:38 PM
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| My shot put shoes have absolutely no traction on the bottom. Not good for changing directions, though I can't say that is the case with these.
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03-27-2006, 08:45 PM
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| Considering how shotput and fencing have very little movements in common, and the fact that this shoe costs as much as other fencing shoes (Adidas D'art, Hi-Tec, Pbt,Asics, etc...)...
Why would anyone want to try it?
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03-28-2006, 02:14 AM
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| Well, perhaps the similarity in appearance to many fencing shoes. Maybe because they could be a substitute for adistars at half the price.
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03-28-2006, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Smyles | I've never seen them (and have no idea what 'shot put' is) but they look great.
As long as the fit and comfort were not worse than the Dart II's I'd try them.
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03-28-2006, 04:22 AM
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| My coach used to wear upper level shotput shoes similar to those to fence in. He liked them, and advocated them for several reasons that I can't ennumerate off the the top of my head, he is however a physiologist with a bad back and bad knees so I figure heis reasoning was relatively sound.
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03-28-2006, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by rcmatthews Well, perhaps the similarity in appearance to many fencing shoes. Maybe because they could be a substitute for adistars at half the price. | But, again, there are very few, if any similar movements in shotput/discus/hammerthrow events and fencing (at a few of the websites I checked many shoes work for those three events...).
You'd be better off finding some cheap squash (or tennis, or racquetball) shoes, which has similar motions...
Like the Hi-Tec classic ones that look like fencing shoes for under $40...
Or just paying for fencing specific shoes that run about the same price...
Although, i guess if you really want Adidas shoes, and refuse to pay for Adistar's, yet you want something that looks like it might work, and you like shoes with a carrot color accent...
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03-28-2006, 04:44 AM
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| Actually, from what I've read, there are two different techniques to shot putting:
The one that everyone's thinking of is the spinny one (like discus and hammer) and there are specific shoes for this type of throwing.
The other one is the "glide" technique which is the one these shoes are designed for. Again from what I've read, this technique has alot of similarities to fencing footwork (as in it's also asymmetric etc.)
The other reason I was interested is that the shoe itself seems to look more durable than even the longest lasting fencing shoes so the relative price wouldn't actually be all that bad | |
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03-28-2006, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen I've never seen them (and have no idea what 'shot put' is) but they look great. | Shot put = kulstötning
Hammer throw = släggkastning
Javelin = spjut
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03-28-2006, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by PeterGustafsson Shot put = kulstötning
Hammer throw = släggkastning
Javelin = spjut | Javelin I knew, and I could have guessed 'Hammer throw'.
I was also thinking of shot put as being kula, but I was too lazy to look it up. 
Thanks, P. 
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03-28-2006, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Smyles 1. The material wrapping round the toe area is called adiTUFF and from the looks of pictures I've seen it appears to offer alot more resistance to wear than the stuff used in the fencing specific adiStar! | AdiTUFF is the same material that is used on the AdiStar on the sole and toe wrappings. This "strong" material still gets destroyed on the metallic pistes...
There is still some work to do for the R&D department at Adidas...
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03-28-2006, 07:39 AM
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| I've seen the adiStar fencing shoes in person and the toe wrapping seems to be more "cloth-like" than the wrapping on the shot put shoes | |
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03-28-2006, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by achilleus But, again, there are very few, if any similar movements in shotput/discus/hammerthrow events and fencing (at a few of the websites I checked many shoes work for those three events...). | That's sort of like a three weapon mask for fencing. Yeah it works, but its not really the best.
Anyway, I agree with you, just providing some plausible explanations for why someone would want to try the shoes.
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03-28-2006, 12:34 PM
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| I just looked these up in the current EastBay catalog (there's the same picture as the link on the EastBay website) to see if they show the soles. The soles are completely smooth. I don't think that bodes well for fencing use. | |
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03-28-2006, 12:39 PM
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| The soles are Carbon Rubber. Would this type of sole leave lots of black marks on a wooden floor? If they do you might find they aren't welcome in a lot of Salles.
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03-28-2006, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by veeco This "strong" material still gets destroyed on the metallic pistes...
| And on a gym floor for that matter. I fence almost exclusively on gym floors and mine is torn to shreds. Luckily there's that layer underneath to keep the shoe together.
Do you think Addidas could repair/replace the AdiTUFF material?
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03-28-2006, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by veeco AdiTUFF is the same material that is used on the AdiStar on the sole and toe wrappings. This "strong" material still gets destroyed on the metallic pistes...
There is still some work to do for the R&D department at Adidas... | Well, there's AdiTUFF and then there's AdiTUFF...
Adidas uses AdiTUFF on many of there shoes, and it can much more durable than what they use on the fencing shoes...
I mean, my Stabil's have AdiTUFF and have lasted longer than other's Adistars. My old volleyball shoes had AdiTUff and I never wore a hole in them (peeled the rubber off, but never wore a hole in the AdiTUFF). In fact, you can find Adidas tennis shoes with 6 monh guarantee's so AdiTUFF can be quite durable and survive on a metal strip...
Not forever mind you, but longer than the current Adistars.
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03-28-2006, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Smyles The other one is the "glide" technique which is the one these shoes are designed for. Again from what I've read, this technique has alot of similarities to fencing footwork (as in it's also asymmetric etc.) | Yup, I'm aware of that...
But you're telling me that the glide technique for shot put has someone moving around, with rapid changes of direction (possible bouncing), coupled with fast explosive movements where the athlete puts all the pressure on their heel? Quote: |
Originally Posted by Smyles The other reason I was interested is that the shoe itself seems to look more durable than even the longest lasting fencing shoes so the relative price wouldn't actually be all that bad | Hm...
First, how long do you expect your shoes to last? Seems I've asked that question before...
Second the Hi-Tecs seem to be lasting longer than the Adidas models, and are roughly the same price as the shot put shoe...
Third, you want durabilty cheap? Get a non fencing specific shoe. For those wanting a lightweight shoe, get the New Balance 820, it's super light, and comes with a 6 month guarantee...
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