Behold! The End of Days are Upon us!

[VELISARIOS]

Originally Posted by Feltan

Indeed. I am one of the legion.

Revelation was written for early Christians being persecuted by Rome. The symbology wasn't lost on 3rd century peasants, but today otherwise reasonable people seem to have created yet another denomination.

Believe what you will of course, but I don't see Revelation as anything other than a message of hope during persecution and trying times.

Regards,
Feltan

No you are wrong.
At some chapters speak for the persecution by Rome but all the others speak for the future.

[VELISARIOS]

Originally Posted by TrainingDummy

Ha, RebelFencer started another religious debate. Personally, I don't accept Jesus Christ as my "personal Lord and Savior" and am more than a bit freaked out by people with "In case of Rapture, this vehicle will be unmanned" bumper stickers. I don't know where my "soul" is going when I die, and I don't really care. "Left Behind" contains about as much empirical evidence to back it up as Harry Potter.

You must start to care for your soul as you care for your body.

[VELISARIOS]

Originally Posted by Feltan

Did you read this?

10. PETER THE ROMAN - This final Pope will likely be Satan, taking the form of a man named Peter who will gain a worldwide allegiance and adoration. He will be the final antichrist which prophecy students have long foretold. If it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived.

That hardly sounds like a Catholic prophesy.

Regards,
Feltan

I mean all te prophesy of this Catholic saint. By the way I am not Catholic, I am Orthodox, so I do not belive this prophesy, I just remind it.

[Aqua_volans]

if he ain't got no scientific evidence to back it up tell those idiots at the vatican to shut their traps. The end of this planet is only gonna come when the sun expires. evidently this is far more believeable than some ancient pope spouting religious brainwash material.

[VELISARIOS]

Originally Posted by Aqua_volans

if he ain't got no scientific evidence to back it up tell those idiots at the vatican to shut their traps. The end of this planet is only gonna come when the sun expires. evidently this is far more believeable than some ancient pope spouting religious brainwash material.

And what if an huge asteroid crash the Earth? You do not know how the end will come. None knows. Only God.

[Feltan]

Originally Posted by VELISARIOS

No you are wrong...

Ah, OK, now that we have that established, you must be correct then?

Regards,
Feltan

[Feltan]

Originally Posted by Aqua_volans

if he ain't got no scientific evidence to back it up tell those idiots at the vatican to shut their traps. The end of this planet is only gonna come when the sun expires. evidently this is far more believeable than some ancient pope spouting religious brainwash material.

Yeah! You get +1 for tolerance.

Regards,
Feltan

[TrainingDummy]

Originally Posted by Aqua_volans

if he ain't got no scientific evidence to back it up tell those idiots at the vatican to shut their traps. The end of this planet is only gonna come when the sun expires. evidently this is far more believeable than some ancient pope spouting religious brainwash material.

Since you have no scientific evidence to back up your claim that "The end of this planet is only gonna come when the sun expires," shut your trap.

[fencingfrog]

The end of this planet is only gonna come when the sun expires

one of the tribulations is that the sun will be dimmed by 1/3. and another is that (this one is a bowl judgement, one of the worst) in the new world capital, there will be no light, and it will be so dark it hurts the unsaved.

And what if an huge asteroid crash the Earth? You do not know how the end will come. None knows. Only God

there is another tribulation of a 'falling mountain' aka asteroid. we know it will happen near the end, but yes, only God knows exactly. not even Jesus.
the pope may not be popular with you, but 'religious brainwash material' is just not true!!!!
Aqua_volans, there is stuff in the Bible that matches perfectly with the scientific evidence unbelievers have found. you might want to consider the truth, because even if you don't care now, you will care when you are burning in a lake of fire for all of eterinity, separated from the Lord. it won't be pretty, even for a pyro.

[lochinvar]

Originally Posted by fencingfrog

(this one is a bowl judgement, one of the worst)

Uh, what's a "bowl judgement"?

in the new world capital, there will be no light, and it will be so dark it hurts the unsaved.

So the new world capital is gonna be built on the dark side of the moon? Or underground? 'Cause those are the only two places I can think where there is no light. And please explain how darkness can hurt you, saved or not. People have been living in the dark for centuries without harm--literally, not figuratively...

but yes, only God knows exactly. not even Jesus.

So, you're saying that Jesus isn't God?

Aqua_volans, there is stuff in the Bible that matches perfectly with the scientific evidence unbelievers have found.

Um, to the best of my knowledge no unbelievers have found any scientific evidence of any end times or prophecies, so I'm uncertain how such non-existent evidence can match anything in the Bible.

you might want to consider the truth, because even if you don't care now, you will care when you are burning in a lake of fire for all of eterinity, separated from the Lord. it won't be pretty, even for a pyro.

I already know the truth, and it isn't what you think it is.

[TrainingDummy]

I, too, seek to know the truth. You're not trying to teach truth, you're trying to force Truth with threats of eternal torment.

[fencingfrog]

all right you guys, thats alot of questions. i dont claim to be perfect or know everything, but ill try to help. here goes

Uh, what's a "bowl judgement"?

there are 3 sets of 7 judgements before the glorious appearing of Jesus. in order from bad to worst: the trumpet judgements, the seal judgements and the bowl judgements. i don't know why the trumpet judgements are named that, but the seal ones are because God's people will be 'sealed' in other words will have a mark of God. the bowl refers to an angel pouring out a bowl of God's wrath on the earth.

So the new world capital is gonna be built on the dark side of the moon? Or underground? 'Cause those are the only two places I can think where there is no light. And please explain how darkness can hurt you, saved or not. People have been living in the dark for centuries without harm--literally, not figuratively...

it's going to be in Israel somewhere, but one of the bowl judgements is that the bowl of darkness will be poured on the beast's capital city. i dont know how the darkness will hurt. im hoping to be gone from here and not find out, but i think it's darkness like evil and separation from the Lord.

So, you're saying that Jesus isn't God?

*sigh* it's the holy trinity, the 3 in one. think 3 leafed clover, or infinite clay in 3 pieces. God is Jesus and Jesus is God, but they are different at the same time. please ask a minister or priest. I really don't know how to explain, it's a mystery to me too. its called faith.

Um, to the best of my knowledge no unbelievers have found any scientific evidence of any end times or prophecies, so I'm uncertain how such non-existent evidence can match anything in the Bible.

I was refering to things that already occured that were prophesied thousands of years ago. and God was right(duh) science has no way to predict the future. please don't bring up tides or something stupid like that. that doesnt' count.

I already know the truth, and it isn't what you think it is.

what do you think the truth is?

I, too, seek to know the truth. You're not trying to teach truth, you're trying to force Truth with threats of eternal torment.

I'm not forcing anything on you. im just highly recommending that you think this over. you don't want to go to hell just becasue of pride. it took me time to come to the Lord too. you don't have to believe me or anyone. the people in the time of Jesus didn't believe. yet he was performing miracles right there. blessed are they who have not seen but believe. I hope you really do consider the prophecies and the Bible. it's your choice though. no one will force you. except the beast to follow him. but that's something else entirely.

[lochinvar]

Originally Posted by fencingfrog

it's going to be in Israel somewhere, but one of the bowl judgements is that the bowl of darkness will be poured on the beast's capital city. i dont know how the darkness will hurt. im hoping to be gone from here and not find out, but i think it's darkness like evil and separation from the Lord.

So what you're saying is that you don't know if it even will hurt, much less how.

*sigh* it's the holy trinity, the 3 in one. think 3 leafed clover, or infinite clay in 3 pieces. God is Jesus and Jesus is God, but they are different at the same time. please ask a minister or priest. I really don't know how to explain, it's a mystery to me too. its called faith.

I have asked many a priest and minister, and in the end they, just like you, threw up their hands and said, "It's a mystery!" You can call it faith if you want; I call it gullibility.

In any case, I would think that God A knows what God B knows if they're the same God. So I don't understand why you say that God knows when the end will come but Jesus doesn't know. Sounds like a contradiction to me. And besides: How do you know what Jesus knows or doesn't know? Has he told you?

I was refering to things that already occured that were prophesied thousands of years ago. and God was right(duh)

I still don't know what things that science has found that the Bible prophesied thousands of years ago. Perhaps you could give some examples?

what do you think the truth is?

I think the truth is:
--that there are a lot of people running around that would love to know when the end is coming--though I can't fathom why they would want to know that.
--that they have cobbled together some unrelated and out-of-context Bible passages and much overheated imagination and constructed a fanciful work of fiction and then labeled it fact.
--that clerics, mystics, prophets, and preachers have been seeing signs of the imminent end of the world and the final judgement for at least the last 16 centuries. None of these predictions has come to pass. I see no reason to place any greater credence on this latest episode.

[latenight]

Originally Posted by VELISARIOS

You must start to care for your soul as you care for your body.

Well that would certainly bode poorly for my soul......I wonder if it likes Stoli too?

[TrainingDummy]

Originally Posted by latenight

Well that would certainly bode poorly for my soul......I wonder if it likes Stoli too?

Ha! Mine likes Johnny Walker Scotch.

[VELISARIOS]

Originally Posted by TrainingDummy

Ha! Mine likes Johnny Walker Scotch.

Oh!An other drunken soul.

[VELISARIOS]

Originally Posted by lochinvar

Uh, what's a "bowl judgement"?
So the new world capital is gonna be built on the dark side of the moon? Or underground? 'Cause those are the only two places I can think where there is no light. And please explain how darkness can hurt you, saved or not. People have been living in the dark for centuries without harm--literally, not figuratively...So, you're saying that Jesus isn't God?Um, to the best of my knowledge no unbelievers have found any scientific evidence of any end times or prophecies, so I'm uncertain how such non-existent evidence can match anything in the Bible.I already know the truth, and it isn't what you think it is.

Poor Loch, you live in darknes when you can not understand the metaphorical way of a sendence. When fence frog speak about the darkness which should exist in this capital, he speak about the darkness which should exist in the hearts of hummans and the lies of this society.
I disagre with Fencing Frog in the matter of knowlege. The angels did not know when the end is comming. But Loch if you have theological question try to speak with a priest.
Loch a sugest to read a book 'God and science' here you will see that many scientist has belive to God. By the way try to read genesis chapter I and see about in how many days the univers builded. Some scientists found that this is an equation which give the exactly age of our univers. Sound strange but it is true.
By the way what is the true for you?

[lochinvar]

Originally Posted by VELISARIOS

Poor Loch, you live in darknes when you can not understand the metaphorical way of a sendence.

Poor Velisarios. You live in darkness when you simply accept what is irrational and contradictory just because somebody in a black suit said you should.

But Loch if you have theological question try to speak with a priest.

I don't have a theological question. I'm simply trying to clarify what fencingfrog is asserting.

Loch a sugest to read a book 'God and science' here you will see that many scientist has belive to God.

Irrelevant. What some scientist(s) believes or disbelieve about God has no bearing on this conversation. I'm not talking to scientists, I'm talking to fencingfrog. And now to you. Unless you're a scientist...?

By the way try to read genesis chapter I and see about in how many days the univers builded. Some scientists found that this is an equation which give the exactly age of our univers. Sound strange but it is true.

Perhaps you could find out who this scientist is, so I could look up the reference?

By the way what is the true for you?

What is true for me is that everyone who says, "I know", doesn't.