Wy epee sucks

[tsalyards]

Thanks,

I rather enjoyed writing it.

-Tad

[HilandDoug]

Tad, you probably had way more fencing experience in general, and had a better understanding of the game, than most collegiate sabre fencers. Most are guys who picked up the sport as college freshmen, and got thrown on the team because they were a warm body that could hold a sabre. In that instance, you'd have at least 6 more years experience, and in collegiates, that's a lot.

And a late congradulations to you for whuppin' some a**.

[saberkid]

jordan (saber dude) shut your mouth epee has its goods and bads, and i will say epee is my least favorit to, iv got np with foil and with epee its not about the first one to lunge gets the point if i hit befor they hit me evan if they lunged first i get the point... why? because its all about timming.

is my spelling bad? and iv got great point control and dont hit hard... though those damn stiff blades make things all worse

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[sabreuse]

OK. I've read this entire topic twice and have yet to find any reference to the state of Wyoming, or, in particular, to epeeists in the state of Wyoming.

[rusty epee]

Sabreuse, dear, read my post of 09/28 again. Then reconsider your "Wyoming" issue...

By the way, is it "Sabreuse," or "Sa-bruise?"



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[Dragoneye]

Hey,

I've often said that epee leaves something to be desired when it comes to spectating, however, being inside the game is a whole different story. It is certainly more than simply charging at one another at the command "fence" - it's all about timing, speed, precision, and subtlety, among other things.

There's a real elegance to epee that I didn't find until I started fencing it. An elegance that is earned only after much practice I might add As I've said before, there's nothing better than that tag on your opponent's wrist that they didn't even feel.

Some thoughts (on too little sleep )


Cheers,

Dragoneye.

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[FencerInUS]

Actually I really don't think you can compare weapons. People fence foil because they are either beginners, or because they prefer the art of that weapon. Epee gererally because they like a faster more aggressive bout, saber because they have massacistic tendancies (sp?)

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[Gav]

Sabre Dude you show a (un)surprising amount of ignorance.

What's allthis about attacking at the same time and missing? You obviously haven't watched any decent epee. Epee is very tactical. There is a lot of judging your opponents actions and choosing the right response to your oppponents actions.

As for slow... Jeez you've never fenced epee properly have you? It can be as fast as foil if the fencer's involved have a mind.

No priority means no (or very few) bad ref descisions - the reason I gave fencing for 3 years! (I used to do foil)

Oh! And before anyone flames me for that comment. It is very soul destroying to consistently miss out on quarter and semi final positions because you've had a bad ref and perfect strangers keep telling you so.

But I won't go on about that.

Be happy in the weapon you fence with. To me a lot of Sabreurs are a bunch of fat, beer swilling, brawlers (you should see some of the guy's here in the uk!).

[HilandDoug]

HEY! SOME of us aren't fat!

[sabreuse]

Rusty Epee--

That's the spirit I intended when I posted that message, hence the winking smilie I initially DID look for references to Wyoming and eventually figured out what was going on. Please--no comments about too many head cuts!

As far as Sabreuse versus Sa-bruise? Right now I'm a more the latter than the former. It kind of goes with the territory.

(And you can be sure I'm double and triple checking my typing in this message!)


Cheryl

[rusty epee]

Cheryl:

Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee ...




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Youth and enthusiam are no match for age and treachery....

[Gav]

Only kidding Hilandoug.

Couldn't care less about anyones build.

[HilandDoug]

But I'm o.k. with the "beer-swilling brawler" part....

[Stryder]

Originally posted by tsalyards:
First off, as far as I'm concerned epee and foil are the only weapons even worth fencing in the United States. I've witnessed the worst, horse-sh*t sabre fencing in this country. After having scene very good Hungarians and the like go at it in Europe, I can't even watch a Yank with a saber, it's too damn sad.

-Tad

Odd that the U.S. had two men qualify for the Olympics in Sabre, one in Foil and none in Epee (Bloom qualified only by zonal competition, well done but not the same as qualifying in World Cup's)
What is it that you have been watching?

[tsalyards]

And how far did those saber fencers make it?

-Tad

[damianip]

Stryder writes:

Odd that the U.S. had two men qualify for the Olympics in Sabre, one in Foil and none in Epee (Bloom qualified only by zonal competition, well done but not the same as qualifying in World Cup's)

However, Smart was ranked 58 and Spencer-El 62 out of 240 sabreurs with current international points. Bloom was ranked 59 out of 273. So they're close relative to their weapon peers and actually, Bloom is a bit higher. I think it was just the way the FIE did their ranking adjustments that forced Tamir to qualify.

I don't know what all this means except that the whole argument is a bit hokey. The US clearly has more work to do in épée and sabre than it does in foil, however, not many countries can produce consistently good results in all three weapons, with the exception of the traditional powerhouses: France, Germany, Russia, Hungary, Italy...


BTW épée is the most truthful of the weapons. If I could discern the action in sabre more clearly, I'd find it more exciting. And foil is the most dramatic because you just never know what the director will come up with.


Paolo

[John]

Just as a side note on the Bloom thing...remember the guy has a bad acl and probably still needs surgery, but still is ranked in the top 25 percent. So, just making it to the "big dance" says a lot...

[damianip]

Re: Bloom's ACL.

There's quite a bit of controversy surrounding T's knee and the 99 WCh.

If you look at the latest minutes on the USFA site, there's an ugly story recounted there. Accusations coming from both sides: there's a side of fencing I'd like to ignore.

However, it seems that our NGB has a strange relationship with its fencers. Read the story and see if you agree or disagree.


Paolo

[darius]

I don't think that's a strange relationship at all -- what he did was pretty crappy, if you think about it; he went to Seoul using (mostly) somebody else's money knowing that he had an injury that would prevent him from fencing.

How would you like to have been the #4 guy in the rankings?

darius

[John]

I would agree with damianip. Very strange indeed. My first question/point would be...why doesn't and alternate always travel/train with the team? Heck, you could twist an ankle walking up stairs at the hotel..then what?! I don't know him personally but I like his sprit of trying to compete...Does anyone honestly think he went to Korea to "see the sites"?! I have friends that have blown out their knee like that and you aren't in any condition to do/enjoy much of anything. As a team member, Bloom should know the fencers (both ours and theirs) and could offer some insight before/during the bout to his replacement. Furthermore, if he were my team member I would want him there, even if it was just for morale support. Granted, there are details I don't know, but it seems to me Tamir understood more of what it was to be part of a "team" than anyone on the USFA board.