03-15-2006, 08:25 PM
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| Top 3 divisions for fencing
What in your opinion are the top 3 divisions for fencing in the u.s?
obviously metro Nyc is number one but what are some other good divisions? | 
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03-15-2006, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BIND8!RUNAWAY! What in your opinion are the top 3 divisions for fencing in the u.s?
obviously metro Nyc is number one but what are some other good divisions? | i'm sure your bound to get some **** for calling NYC #1 but i agree, i can't name the two runners up because the shining stars of us fencing are quite broadly distributed, | |
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03-15-2006, 08:40 PM
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| If the US National team lived in one division, and everybody else on the points list in another, which would you consider stronger?
It depends on the weapon. South Texas is doing better in Women's Epee than NYC is, I think. | |
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03-15-2006, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK If the US National team lived in one division, and everybody else on the points list in another, which would you consider stronger?
It depends on the weapon. South Texas is doing better in Women's Epee than NYC is, I think. | yea i was just thinking of that but couldn't name a specific division so i left it out. Men's foil and sabre kindof, NYC dominates i think | |
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03-15-2006, 10:32 PM
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| in terms of running tournaments well.... and, y'know, fencers.... quality AND numbers...
New England is up there.
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03-15-2006, 11:16 PM
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| women's sabre is def. oregon's turf | |
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03-15-2006, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint in terms of running tournaments well.... and, y'know, fencers.... quality AND numbers...
New England is up there. | Not really for quality. We don't have many A's and not many of them show up to fence.
Now quality of running tournaments, we will accept kudos for that.
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03-15-2006, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by stealingophelia women's sabre is def. oregon's turf | Georgia is a very close 2nd, at least at the moment. Zagunis has passed Jacobson on the FIE and USFA Sr. Point Standings in just the past season. Considering the fact that 2 out of 4 of the '04 Olympic team members were Georgians, I'd say Oregon and Georgia are just about tied, if you take into consideration the last couple of years.
Deciding which division is best in all 6 weapons is certainly a challenge. I could be wrong, but off the top of my head, I can't think of a single division (or even a single section) that has had fencers in more than just a few of the 6 weapons at recent World Championships and Olympic Games. Overall, the best of the best are scattred around the country.
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03-16-2006, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Frank Pratt Considering the fact that 2 out of 4 of the '04 Olympic team members were Georgians, I'd say Oregon and Georgia are just about tied, if you take into consideration the last couple of years.
| Yeah...but of the current World WS team, 3 out of the 4 are OFA...and the National coach is Ed Korfanty, of OFA.... | |
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03-16-2006, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by fencerbill Not really for quality. We don't have many A's and not many of them show up to fence.
Now quality of running tournaments, we will accept kudos for that. | if you give NE at least partial credit for people who started fencing in the divison and then left and continued to fence elsewhere, we would have better #s .... : )
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03-16-2006, 03:17 AM
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| The CO division has a lot of great fencers too especially in epee under the direction of Andrea lagan and Gary Copeland. | |
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03-16-2006, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by fencerbill Not really for quality. We don't have many A's and not many of them show up to fence.
Now quality of running tournaments, we will accept kudos for that. | We have plenty of good fencers in the vicinity, just none of them show up to local tournaments. The entire Harvard team comes to mind... | |
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03-16-2006, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by telkanuru We have plenty of good fencers in the vicinity, just none of them show up to local tournaments. The entire Harvard team comes to mind... | Yeah, but they're not, and never were, members of the new england division (most are metro nyc). | |
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03-16-2006, 08:57 AM
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| You are better off asking which clubs yield the best fencers, as many people who fence at a certain club come from different divisions. Also many college students switch to their college's division (so they can get to qualifiers) temporarily during their college years. | |
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03-16-2006, 09:15 AM
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| Top Divisions
WS
Oregon
Georgia
MS
Metro
WE
So. Texas
Metro NYC
ME
Metro NYC
SoCal
WF
Metro NYC
MF
Metro NYC
Colorado
Those are my picks.
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03-16-2006, 11:00 AM
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| The main thing I think is that it changes every 5-10 years or so. With the exception of men's sabre, and possibly men's foil.
I recall Foil and Epee, for women, being huge in upstate NY (most definitely NOT metro), with a second center in the Bay Area. | |
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03-16-2006, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by trazom I recall Foil and Epee, for women, being huge in upstate NY (most definitely NOT metro), with a second center in the Bay Area. | Then Buckie Leach moved.
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03-16-2006, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint if you give NE at least partial credit for people who started fencing in the divison and then left and continued to fence elsewhere, we would have better #s .... : ) | I disagree, Greg Chang made the Olympic team as an alternate, but he didn't really fence in New England. Besides that there's Ariana Daria and Eva who have come out of the division as has Henry, (at least recently), but to put New England as one of the best divisions, I think is a stretch.
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03-16-2006, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by trazom The main thing I think is that it changes every 5-10 years or so. With the exception of men's sabre, and possibly men's foil.
I recall Foil and Epee, for women, being huge in upstate NY (most definitely NOT metro), with a second center in the Bay Area. | And prior to that, the entire women's foil team came from New England (TCFC with Joe Pechinsky)... what keeps happening is the core of a team develops centered somewhere, high level fencers flock to that area to train, it snowballs and the weapon as a whole gets stronger. But, this isn't maintained and then the proccess starts again.
Just imagine what we could do if we actually MAINTAINED such a team in one location (such as a national training center) for multiple cycles...
ah, but that's probably a pipe dream. that level of investment is hard to come by.
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