03-15-2006, 12:09 PM
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| Div 2/3 Quals for Summer Nationals
What are the qualifying paths for Div 2/3 Summer Nationals?
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03-15-2006, 12:39 PM
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| Div II be classified as a C,D,E,or U at the time of qualifying and any one of the following:
Qualify for U16 or U19 National Championships
Qualify for Div IA National Championships
Place in the top 25% of the division's qualifying competition.
Place in the top 4 of Div III Summer nationals the previous year.
Div III: Have a D,E or U classification at the time of qualifying and any one of the following:
Qualify for Div II Summer Nationals
Qualify for IA National Championships
Qualify for U19 National Championships
Qualify for U16 National Championships
Place in the top 25% of the D,E,U fencers in the division's Div II qualifying competition (if a separate competition is not held) Or Place in the top 25% of the division's Div III qualifying competition.
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03-15-2006, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ Apostrophe Place in the top 25% of the D,E,U fencers in the division's Div II qualifying competition (if a separate competition is not held) | And here's an excellent explanation of the rules for qualifying at a mixed Div II/III qualifier.
By the way, information on qualifying paths in always in the current Athlete's Handbook on the USFA site. Around page 20 or so.  | 
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03-15-2006, 12:48 PM
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| Many Divisions combine their II/III qualifiers and determine Div III qualifiers by rankings after all the Div II only qualified fencers are taken out. | |
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03-15-2006, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ Apostrophe Div II be classified as a C,D,E,or U at the time of qualifying and any one of the following:
Qualify for U16 or U19 National Championships
Qualify for Div IA National Championships
Place in the top 25% of the division's qualifying competition.
Place in the top 4 of Div III Summer nationals the previous year.
Div III: Have a D,E or U classification at the time of qualifying and any one of the following:
Qualify for Div II Summer Nationals
Qualify for IA National Championships
Qualify for U19 National Championships
Qualify for U16 National Championships
Place in the top 25% of the D,E,U fencers in the division's Div II qualifying competition (if a separate competition is not held) Or Place in the top 25% of the division's Div III qualifying competition.
-w | This is a really useful reply, thank you!
I have a follow-up sort of question. If you are attempting to qualify Div III, and you manage to pick up your C at that qualifying event, are you still qualified? KD5MDK says, "I think so," but he doesn't sound too sure...
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03-15-2006, 03:29 PM
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| Yes you are... you qualify, then earn your rating...
also, if you go and earn a higher rating between when you qualify and when the event actually happens, you're still qualified... it is theoretically possible to fence Div III with a current year A.
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03-15-2006, 03:42 PM
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| I am under the impression at least one person did it this weekend with a B, although they may have earned it the week before, as they were not seeded by it, but they would have if they'd earned it one week before that. | |
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03-16-2006, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ Apostrophe it is theoretically possible to fence Div III with a current year A. | Theoretically possible to fence DIII with an PREVIOUS-YEAR A as well.
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03-16-2006, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Theoretically possible to fence DIII with an PREVIOUS-YEAR A as well.
-B | ok, i'll bite.
how?
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03-16-2006, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint ok, i'll bite.
how? | Register for the March Div III in (say) November as a D and earn an A in December for example?
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03-16-2006, 09:04 PM
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| As for getting a previous year A into Div III summer nationals ...
Say a fencer had a D, fenced in the 2005 Div III Nationals and came in the top 4. A top 4 finish qualifies the fencer for next year's Div II Nationals.
Having a D and qualifying for next year's Div II Nationals is an autoqual path for the next year's Div III nationals. The fencer could then get an A later in the year.
Div III nationals are always at least a Group C3 event and the fencer gets a C after the event. But if you consider last years' Div III nationals the competition that qualified the fencer then the fencer met the restriction that "Fencers must have a classification in the weapon of D, E or Unclassified at the time of the qualifying competition" | |
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03-16-2006, 10:31 PM
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| You do not actually "earn" a new rating until it is officially recorded at the USFA's national office. So I would argue that a "D" fencer could place 1st an A2 event and then qualify for the Div III Summer Nationals a week later, since the USFA probably will not have recorded the new "A" within that week. I think this is the rationale for a fencer who earns his/her "C" at the Div III qualifiers being allowed to compete in the Div III National Championships.
The other cavet is that you have to earn a new rating by a certain deadline (2 weeks prior to the Nationals, perhaps) to reap the seeding benefits for that rating at Nationals.
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03-16-2006, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Theoretically possible to fence DIII with an PREVIOUS-YEAR A as well.
-B | Is there any rule that dictates when a division must hold its Qualifying competition? There is a deadline for submitting the results to the national office, and all the divisions that I know of hold the qualifiers in the early Spring, but is there any rule that says a Division cannot hold the Div II/III qualifiers before the new year?
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