Fantasy multiweapon event #2

[PeterGustafsson]

Hi!


Inspired by the "New Olympic Event" thread, I toss out the following idea to mull/discuss on:
1. Select the 8 best foilists, sabreurs, and epeeists at a meet based on their results in the single-weapon events in that meet.
2. Fence a foil competition with the competitors being the epeeists and sabreurs.
3. Fence a sabre competition with the competitors being the epeeists and foilists.
4. Fence a epee competition with the competitors being the foilists and sabreurs.
5. Each of the 24 contestants gets two results, one from each of his/her nonprimary weapon.
6. The contestant which posts the worst result of all those 48 results get the last place of this 3-weapon event. His/her remaining result is not considered further.
7. Of the remaining contestants, placements are assigned from bottom to top, using the worst result by any given fencer. The best result is only used as tie-breaker.


Imagine Smart/Ward vs. Kellner/Zimmerman in a epee bout! Should be intresting.

How do you think it would go? Would foilists, unused to protecting forearms, fail? Would epeeists, unused to dealing with RoW, crumble? Would sabreurs, deprived of cuts, be left by the wayside? Someone has to win, and someone will be the ultimate loser.


Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

[pigeonmeister]

Watching sabreurs fence foil is funny- they have brilliant footwork but can't hit a barn door. Epeeists don't understand right of way- so slow attacks will lure them into counter attacking, they will often just forget to parry as well. I would say that foilists would do the best- they would be better at sabre than the epeeists and better than the sabreurs at epee.

[sabreur]

Answer is easy--sabreurs win everything. Foilists and epeeists hack each other to death trying to fence sabre, since that's how they think it is done....

Actually,

I think the sabreurs would lose to the foilists in epee and lose to the epeeists in foil--nasty pointy things and people.

I think the epeeists beat the foilists in sabre, because of target similarities, and because, especially with the new timings, the tempo in sabre has some tactical similarities to the tempo in epee (except tempo in sabre favors him who attacks first, and tempo in epee favors him who counter-attacks).

[pigeonmeister]

Originally Posted by sabreur

and because, especially with the new timings, the tempo in sabre has some tactical similarities to the tempo in epee (except tempo in sabre favors him who attacks first, and tempo in epee favors him who counter-attacks).

It does? I'm not convinced myself but I cannot claim to be an authority on sabre.

[larkmaj]

Interesting idea. I would have to agree that the sabre fencers would be screwed though in general. However I like the idea. It's kinda like one of the winter olympics team events (i think long track?). Where there is a team of four and the results are based on the slowest from each team. Didn't actually see the event myself but I heard about it.

[agooding2]

Sounds a little like the concept behind Racketlon, where champions from different racket sports (tennis, squash, badminton and table tennis) compete and each point counts, not just wins and losses.

There's more info. here: http://www.racketlon.com/rackpres.html
Started in Scandinavia, they claim it is the fastest growing sport in the world.

-- Andrew

[cs3dswb]

Originally Posted by pigeonmeister

It does? I'm not convinced myself but I cannot claim to be an authority on sabre.

Yes it does. UNFORTUNATELY new timings have sabre have meant less time to riposte before the light doesnt come on. i.e. wait to long and your riposte wont even register. This means that redoubling attacks and continuing after you've missed is more likely to hit and win a point as well as this eppeists who fence sabre now tend to leave their arm out and teh riposting sabreurs steps onto it before hitting and often wont hit the eppeist in time and when they do hit their light doesnt come up.

I've seen it it has ****ed up sabre this way. However i do like the preparations on new timings. "If two lights come up it's 1 in a 100 that its on prep" according to all qualified refs i've spoken to anyway

[Zilverzmurfen]

Originally Posted by sabreur

...and lose to the epeeists in foil--nasty pointy things and people.

Say what?!

[keropie]

Originally Posted by cs3dswb

I've seen it it has ****ed up sabre this way. However i do like the preparations on new timings. "If two lights come up it's 1 in a 100 that its on prep" according to all qualified refs i've spoken to anyway

The unfortunate part about this is that very few officials even look for preparation now, assuming that if too lights are on, there wasn't a preparation. Means officials actually blow calls they could have made before (since they would have been paying better attention), and actions that shouldn't score (counter attacks and such) score because they hit early enough.