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No. 49 60.49%
Yes. Support. 4 4.94%
Yes. Combat Arms (infantry, armour, artillery, pilot/gunner, blue-water navy). 20 24.69%
Yes. Combat Veteren (been shot at/bombed/shelled/etc...) 9 11.11%
Yes. Regular Force. 4 4.94%
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Old 08-06-2006, 11:31 PM   #121
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I served 7 years in the United States Coast Guard. First 3 1/2 years I was on Coast Guard Cutter Polar Star (went from the north pole to Antarctica breaking ice & completing sience ops) and at an air station in Florida that was primarily search & rescue. yep I miss it a lot!
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Speaking of the swedish navy, ever heard of their stealth ships? You don't see, them, you don't hear them, until they start shooting at you.
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Speaking of the swedish navy, ever heard of their stealth ships? You don't see, them, you don't hear them, until they start shooting at you.
You mean like the "Vasa"? Went into stealth mode on her maiden voyage and only re-surfaced after 330-something years?
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You mean like the "Vasa"? Went into stealth mode on her maiden voyage and only re-surfaced after 330-something years?
No. The visby class. See it here. By the fime you saw it, there would probably be some missille flying in you direction already. One of those accurate-to-within-1-metre missilles.
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Posted in the Canadian National Post Newspaper...

War's raw reality

Bob Bergen
National Post

Thursday, August 24, 2006

Readers interested in seeing Canadians soldiers in the midst of pitched battles in Afghanistan have an amazing new resource available to them on the Internet: YouTube.com. What they will see there are raw, unedited sounds and sights of the insurgent war in southern Afghanistan that will provide Canadians with a far greater appreciation for Canadian soldiers, the dangers they face and their bravery.

Two firefights were captured by 41-year-old American freelance photographer Scott Kesterson of Portland, Ore., who is ordinarily embedded with the U.S. Army. In the first, on July 8, Kesterson was embedded with soldiers from Alpha Company, 2nd Platoon of the 1st Battalion Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry from Edmonton, when they engaged in a ferocious battle with Taliban insurgents in Panjawi, Kandahar province. In the second, Kesterson was with the Princess Pats a week later on July 15 in the village of Sangin, in Helmand Province when they were ambushed.

Kesterson uploaded his videos on YouTube. They both should be required viewing for generations of Canadians who have no direct knowledge of the First and Second World Wars, Korea, the Persian Gulf war or the Kosovo air war in which Canadians fought, let alone modern warfare against insurgents. Of the two battles, the July 15 ambush is likely the most dramatic. So far, more than 49,700 viewers have seen it, compared to the more than 20,700 for the July 8 firefight.

In the ambush video, the soldiers appear to be moving forward in an orderly fashion when all hell breaks loose. They come under fire from automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades. With enemy fire raking them, the Princess Pats immediately begin firing back and, more importantly, doing exactly the opposite of what an untrained person's sense of self-preservation would ordinarily compel. Instead of retreating from the danger, the Canadians advance toward it. In the ensuing chaos, orders are barked out -- interspersed liberally with foul language -- the gunfire is cacophonous and a number of grenades are thrown. The barrage the Canadians eventually lay down would be both fearsome and deadly on the receiving end. All that's missing in this is the smell of cordite. When the shooting stops and the haze clears, the out-of-breath Patricias' chests are heaving. Still, a soldier lights up a smoke and the screen fades to black. This is reality TV at its finest, but it's all on the Internet.

There is also much more to the videos than meets the eye. The first thing to be considered is that Kesterson's footage is not completely unmanaged by the Canadian Forces. Because he was embedded with them, he would have had to sign a ground rules agreement required of all journalists travelling with them. Under those rules, there are 20 categories of specific information about Canadian operations which they cannot report.

For example, they can't report on troop strengths, equipment or critical supplies such as artillery, radars, trucks and water. They can't report on Rules of Engagement (that is to say, directives setting out the circumstances when deadly force can and cannot be used); specific troop movements; tactical deployments; ongoing engagements; special operations units; and the list goes on and on. Make no mistake about it: The news and information Canadians receive about their soldiers' activities in Afghanistan is highly managed by the Canadian Forces.

The second thing to be considered is how much management of the footage by commercial broadcasters themselves is removed. Gone are the telegenic journalists wearing flak jackets emblazoned with the word "Press" reporting second-hand on the combat action. Gone are the news reports passed indirectly to viewers through "celebrity" anchors viewed simultaneously with the reporters on split screens. Gone are the producers, editors and graphic artists who manage and package video segments into short snippets.

This all makes for a brave new media world because YouTube's unvarnished, unfiltered work is all about an extended view of Canadian soldiers in combat and nothing more. Moreover, unlike television news, which usually has regimented time slots, the Internet is available any time anywhere there are computers and service providers' access. Though the videos were shot more than a month ago and their news value is somewhat diluted, Kesterson's videos are nonetheless remarkable. To see the videos go to YouTube.com and search "Canada and Afghanistan."

- Bob Bergen, PhD, is a research fellow with the Canadian Defence & Foreign Affairs Institute (CDFAI) in Calgary.

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Click on the links below for the YouTube Videos:

Canadian Forces Ambushed in Afghanistan (July 15, 2006)
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Troops from Alpha Company, 2nd Platoon, "Red Devils" from Edmonton, Canada are ambushed as they conducted battle damage assessment in the village on July 15, 2006 in Sangin, Helmand Province in southern Afghanistan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaC-w2dIxZc


Canadian Forces dawn raid on a Taliban compoud(July 13,2006)
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Troops from Alpha Company, 2nd Platoon, "Red Devils" from Edmonton, Canada conduct a dawn raid on a Taliban compound on July 13, 2006 in Hydarabad, Helmand Province in southern Afghanistan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_S9P1kMNuM


Canadian Forces Firefight in Afghanistan (July 8, 2006)
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Troops from Alpha Company, 2nd Platoon, "Red Devils" from Edmonton, Canada engage in a fierce firefight with Taliban insurgents on July 8, 2006 in Panjawi, Kandahar Province in southern Afghanistan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2r3C0PJ1LM
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