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Templar5 · 01-10-2001, 11:17 AM

when fencing against my coach, i find that when i try to fence second intention against him he is far too quick with his riposte, is there any way i can get around his speed and still fight second intention?

Papa Blue · 01-10-2001, 05:31 PM

Where are you from that you are actually "fencing" with your coach?

coaching is a job not a public service - Right now you are paying somebody to kick your butt on the strip?

As for you particular situation, I would suggest a disengage. Is there another option?

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damianip · 01-10-2001, 06:46 PM

That's why he's the coach.

Have you asked him? That's what he is there for. Ask him for some second intention drills.

The remedy for speed is careful distance and timing. I don't think you'll refine that on the strip. You'll need to drill for that.

Paolo

Lumberg · 01-11-2001, 04:50 AM

Don't use second intention if you are getting burned by it. It kind of sounds like your coach is expecting it, making it even easier for him/her to time the riposte.
Get around his speed? You really can't get around someone's speed. As you fence more with better fencers, your speed will develop at which point the "speed" factor isn't as issue and it becomes a battle of tactics.
Case in point, you probably notice that your speed is better than beginner fencers and that it is to your advantage that they can't get around your speed.

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fencingbabe · 01-11-2001, 09:57 AM

Well heres the deal.... You coach is supposed to teach you that. If you still have conflict then find a second coach just as i did.

Papa Blue · 01-11-2001, 10:43 AM

Bravo FencingBabe! More fencing less whining that's what I say... use it or loose it, teach it don't preach it

Papa John!

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Mergs · 01-11-2001, 11:48 AM

Heartly agree! More fencing! Went to a Salle were everyone came on strip and asked "what do you want to fence to?" My answer "Til we get tired!"! Spent four months last year fencing the same person, seven (or so) days a week for about 1 1/2 hours a day. We just went at it until we both thought it was time to take a break. It was Great! Learned a lot. Sometimes five touches isn't enough to work on anything.

saberkid · 01-14-2001, 01:32 AM

yeah, you should ask him for ether some second intention drills (or just look at this site they have some) or ask him what your doing wrong and how to fix it any good coach can (should be abil) tell you what your doing wrong and what you need to do to fix it

Nasty · 01-14-2001, 11:47 AM

You can also try coming up with some of our own tricks and vary them in ways that he has not taught you, you might surprise him and and get him secong guessing himself. Surprise your coach with your own creative touches
Eli

Rapier9mm · 01-16-2001, 01:20 AM

hehehe, at our salle we usually fence to 15, or if there isnt a ref, till we get tired. but there is one persona we have decided it would be a neat idea to fence to 50...

saberkid · 01-19-2001, 02:26 AM

i used to do 50's with my friend we did 2 everyday he was a begener then so we did i had to get 50 for his 5 or somthen he beat me a few times perety soon we had to make it 10-15 for my 50... but my club dose 50 touches or sometimes higher... i had a 250 touch bout it took us a little over an hour the final score was me 250 vs 249 to close and so many times saying "ready fence"

Chris

big poppa · 01-19-2001, 03:42 AM

I had a fencing coach who told me" when you learn how to fence you learn how to beat me, but I will still know more than you because I am the teacher and I look better than you" he was right when I did start to learn how to fence he became beatable( hell the guy was 40 years older than me). he knew the game I had to learn it . I do look better than him but he still gets more women( image 78 year old guy in leather pants and cowboy a country and western Shaft)

Stryder · 01-19-2001, 01:24 PM

If someone is parrying you, experiment with feign, disengage and prepare until you get it. If someone is counterattacking you, do none of these.

And why would anyone take offense at a coach who still fences his students? You don't learn to be good by taking drills. You grow by competing. IF your coach is one of the better fencers in your club (which I am guessing he is) Then not taking advantage of that is foolish.

introspective · 01-19-2001, 01:25 PM

Mine beats me too, i don't consider this a problem as he's always testing me, does she know the 7 parry, how well, then he attacks to draw out the 7, if it's not there, then i go into a corner and practice it, but sometimes i do catch him unawares, this is due to his "coaching" and willingness to fence people with much less experience. it can be frustrating of course, this is when he suggests i take a few days off and "rest"

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rusty epee · 01-30-2001, 08:29 PM

Stryder, you're absolutely on target. (Pardon the pun ---------- on second thought, don't. If there ever was a forum...)

For me, fencing my coach was kind of like a test. He (or she) wanted to make sure that I didn't just "get" the particular move we had been working on at the moment, but that I could assimilate that technique into the repertoire of skills they'd already taught me. That's important. If my form or function failed while I was en piste with them, I lost. I would find myself opening a line or failing to parry something when I knew better. It was that simple.

A good coach will know how to bring that out in his or her students. Bouting is just as important as drilling. While drilling makes the moves as automatic as possible, bouting encourages the student to use that particular skill in as real-life a situation as one can muster in the practice area. Your coach, it appears, is not merely trying to get his rocks off by "beating" you -- that's masochistic. He's trying to make you think. If your brain hurts as much as your legs do after practice, then it's been worth it, in my opinion.

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thebigriddle · 02-03-2001, 12:02 PM

Often I test my students to see where they are at. So ask to fence my student. So the question is what to do if he can pick up on your secondary intention. Change tempo...Feint in the line and give a deceive around his guard. Look for the closest openning and then go for it. My question is what line are you starting this secondary intention. You can also do a counter parry right after he parries don't wait for the riposte. A circle beat after he ripostes and finish in a different line.

jc flick · 02-03-2001, 10:12 PM

Try to see what he is doing against you each time and devise a way to use it against him. For example: if he seems to take six a lot then attack making circle six in order to avoid his parry...stuff like that. When someone has more talent and is quicker you have to learn to out think them and use situational fencing to your advantage. Try to use your stregths against him regardless of what he does. If your coach is halfway worth his stuff though you will probably not find much success against him.