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View Poll Results: Voluntary withdrawl between pools and DEs | |
DFL the fencer, fencers in his pool lose their bout record against him (like a pool withdrawl).
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Seed the fencer, but treat his first bout as a forfeit (as you would if he had started DEs).
|    | 28 | 87.50% | |
DFL the fencer, fencers in his pool keep their bout record.
|    | 2 | 6.25% | |
Some other solution (explain).
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This flaw is polled.
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02-27-2006, 03:59 PM
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#21 | | Fencing Expert
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Originally Posted by Fechter1 So, B, what then is the proper way to handle a request for withdrawal due to impending injury?
Specific case: Myself. I've had several knee injuries/surgeries in the past, and I have no inclination to repeat those experiences. If I feel my knee(s) starting to go (support musculature tiring, no longer able to maintain full fine control, etc), can I request withdrawal due to increased risk of serious injury?
Similar issue with muscle cramps. I don't think they qualify as "injury" per se, but they might increase the risk of injury just the same. | If you can get the medical personnel to sign off on it as being for a medical reason, I don't see any reason why either of those shouldn't be considered medical withdrawls. I'd accept medical withdrawls that aren't due to (new) injury.
-B
edit: not so convinced by RedBlade's example, however.
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#22 | | Senior Member
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| Well, the "provision" for voluntarily withdrawing is codified in the "didn't show up to strip" card, I would think. I've had fencers do that - I had to look hard for one to offer her the chance to sign the pool sheet, and she said basically, "I suck too much, I'm not going to continue. Do we indicate that on the pool sheet or tell the bout committee?"
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#23 | | the dark one
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| This is all interesting to me. A few months ago, I was dead-tied with another woman after pools, just above the middle of the pack. She needed to leave (personal reason - i.e., it was getting late - not medical) and withdrew, skipping her DE. I fenced and lost my first DE (still kicking myself for that loss, in fact).
Somehow, she stayed at the same ranking she'd been BEFORE her disappearing act, while I dropped way down.
What happened there? 
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02-27-2006, 05:21 PM
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#24 | | Senior Member
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| Now for the rest of the story...
The BC decided that they wanted to withdraw the fencer "in good standing" (I'm not sure how compelling his reason was). As a result, they scratched him, and all his opponents in pools lost their bout records against him (option 1).
To make matters worse, they didn't post the seeding until after they started DEs, so no one could argue against how the situation was handled.
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02-27-2006, 05:52 PM
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#25 | | Senior Member
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| Withdrawl is the worst option.
Plan ahead to avoid the risk, or try a little self-control.
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02-27-2006, 10:37 PM
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#26 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by FencingKitten Well, the "provision" for voluntarily withdrawing is codified in the "didn't show up to strip" card, I would think. I've had fencers do that - I had to look hard for one to offer her the chance to sign the pool sheet, and she said basically, "I suck too much, I'm not going to continue. Do we indicate that on the pool sheet or tell the bout committee?" | This attitude is something that baffles me a bit. Does she think she'll suck less by skipping the opportunity to fence a competitive DE bout (and hopefully learn from it)? | |
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02-28-2006, 12:26 AM
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#27 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Ordway This attitude is something that baffles me a bit. Does she think she'll suck less by skipping the opportunity to fence a competitive DE bout (and hopefully learn from it)? | You know, I really don't know. I can see, sometimes, just really not wanting to fence. I've had days where it is all I can do to make myself pick up a weapon and hook up because I know I need the practice, but I actively want to be not fencing. I don't get it at tournaments, though. I guess she decided she had better things to do with her time (like stay and watch the gold medal bout, apparently !?!).
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02-28-2006, 01:33 AM
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#28 | | Senior Member
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| Well my situation was an injury withdrawal, and the information was given to me a couple of relatively long time national BC memebers...not to say they couldn't have had other concerns but it is what I was I told.
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02-28-2006, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Ordway This attitude is something that baffles me a bit. Does she think she'll suck less by skipping the opportunity to fence a competitive DE bout (and hopefully learn from it)? | If someone is clearly out of their league, then they shouldn't be forced to continue. I don't see any problem. In fact, this is where having cut after the pooles is great.
Remember, not everyone enjoys a solid *** pounding - in public.
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02-28-2006, 08:43 PM
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#30 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Mr Epee If someone is clearly out of their league, then they shouldn't be forced to continue. I don't see any problem. In fact, this is where having cut after the pooles is great.
Remember, not everyone enjoys a solid *** pounding - in public. | I can see this. The thing is, this woman was no where near out of her league, she wasn't at the bottom of the pool, we all know her... she just decided she was done for the day.
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