02-24-2006, 02:26 PM
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#1 | | Just Joined
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| Help!!! about old sabre rules
Can anyone tell me where I could get old sabre rules for steam sabre competition. I mean real FIE rules, one of the last edition? (80's). Maybe anyone has digital version of this antique? | 
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02-24-2006, 04:58 PM
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#2 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Digital? In the 80s? On what, punch cards? 
Seriously, I have an old rule book from back then ( USFA, not FIE ). But it's on paper. There wasn't even a website back then, and I doubt it was even available on floppy disk. Heck, the USFA still commmunicated with its membership via newsletters through the mail... | |
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02-24-2006, 05:03 PM
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#3 | | Just Joined
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| Hmmm... why not? i found in emule some people who had rulebook of 1955. Scanned | |
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02-24-2006, 05:29 PM
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#4 | | Have Blazer, Will Travel
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| Are you looking for with crossover or without? | |
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02-24-2006, 06:37 PM
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| That would have to be with crossover, since I remember electric saber with the crossover myself, and I'm not even (shudder, quite) 30. | |
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02-24-2006, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Digital? In the 80s? On what, punch cards?
Seriously, I have an old rule book from back then ( USFA, not FIE ). But it's on paper. There wasn't even a website back then, and I doubt it was even available on floppy disk. Heck, the USFA still commmunicated with its membership via newsletters through the mail... |
there exist people who are so nostalgic that they scan stuff like that in for posterity's sake......
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02-24-2006, 08:12 PM
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#7 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Mario_Pegrini Can anyone tell me where I could get old sabre rules... | Just out of curiosity, why?
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02-24-2006, 10:12 PM
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| Try DHCJR....i think he has an old rulebook... | 
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02-25-2006, 12:05 AM
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#9 | | Have Blazer, Will Travel
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| Somebody I was talking to said there might be a copy in the 1995 USFA rules (absent differences between the USFA rules and FIE rules on this topic).
Apparently you can find a copy of that with the Bout Committee at any NAC because it's the latest rulebook that describes repechage. | |
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02-25-2006, 01:35 AM
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#10 | | Armorer
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| I do have an '84 FIE rule book. Got it for the Olympics. I don't have any between then and a 2004 edition. I do have some old USFA in storage that I will look for.
As was said, what do you need? I don't want to give these up, nor copy the whole thing.
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02-25-2006, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by El Chucko Just out of curiosity, why? | hmm... as long as sabre was canceled in 1986 in our country we have no thoughts about starting electric sabre (due to finances, lack of coaches etc.), so our unofocial competitions are held under those rules which are known to some last sabreurs of 80's... But I realised, that memory of these sabreurs are quite short... | |
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02-25-2006, 03:40 AM
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#12 | | Senior Member
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| Some things I think I remember from that time:
After two simos flip the coin for priority. 4 - 4 or 9-9 only one fencer got priority.
Off the the strip -> two meters.
Cross over going forward allowed.
10 touch DEs.
Touch against
Four hand judges.
2 Yes = touch against
Ref had 1 1/2 votes
Those were the days!
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02-25-2006, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK Somebody I was talking to said there might be a copy in the 1995 USFA rules (absent differences between the USFA rules and FIE rules on this topic).
Apparently you can find a copy of that with the Bout Committee at any NAC because it's the latest rulebook that describes repechage. | Here is a copy of the 1995 USFA rulebook.
It has the conventions for dry sabre fencing (as well as electric).
The main differences from late '80's sabre fencing that I found from a quick scan is that the 1995 book does not have the rules relating to priority for simultaneous actions, nor does it have an 18 meter field of play (i.e. two-meter warnings).
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03-03-2006, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mario_Pegrini hmm... as long as sabre was canceled in 1986 in our country... | 
How did this happen? There were not enough sabreurs? I am not making fun of the subject, I am just curious...
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03-03-2006, 10:16 AM
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| A few years ago I found an old 1968 copy of the AFLA rulebook. I've considered scanning it for posterity and reference. | |
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03-03-2006, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mario_Pegrini hmm... as long as sabre was canceled in 1986 in our country we have no thoughts about starting electric sabre (due to finances, lack of coaches etc.), so our unofocial competitions are held under those rules which are known to some last sabreurs of 80's... But I realised, that memory of these sabreurs are quite short... | Why don't you just use the current rules and interpretations and run the competition dry? 
I just see no point in reverting...the reffing won't be any harder.
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03-03-2006, 01:09 PM
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#17 | | Have Blazer, Will Travel
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| Probably because the old rules is what everyone is used to and so he just wants to look at the written rules for about that period. | |
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03-03-2006, 01:19 PM
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#18 | | Senior Member
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| Let's check.
Mario,
Are there fencers from that period who will be fencing saber with you at these tournaments?
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03-03-2006, 02:46 PM
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03-03-2006, 03:08 PM
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#20 | | Have Blazer, Will Travel
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Originally Posted by GGK Let's check.
Mario,
Are there fencers from that period who will be fencing saber with you at these tournaments? | Looks like it Quote: |
our unofocial competitions are held under those rules which are known to some last sabreurs of 80's... But I realised, that memory of these sabreurs are quite short...
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