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skit · 02-21-2006, 07:18 AM

Has anybody tried this new product?
I have a go but had to do lots of fine-tuning to suit my hand.

WhipLash · 02-21-2006, 09:09 AM

Golubitsky Grip

what fine-tuning did you do?

skit · 02-21-2006, 10:05 AM

The original grip looks like this :

http://www.leonpaul.com/acatalog/gol...ont_medium.jpg

First, I have to cut the lower middle protruding part away. I also find the rubber tubing too think and have to cut it into half of its length.

Beowulfman6 · 02-21-2006, 11:54 AM

It seems to me if you are going to do all of this to a belgian grip you might be better off using a visconte or something.

CvilleFencer · 02-21-2006, 06:43 PM

Yeah, it looks like you really want a very skinny russian. Maybe check out some of the Zivkovic grips? They have some pretty odd ones that may suit a hard to fit hand. Most people will advise you to find a standard grip and confrom to it however, for a variety of reasons.

skit · 03-02-2006, 04:02 AM

i have tried the belgium grip from PBT but found that i'd to removed the lower middle protruding part just like the G grip.

The russian grip i ordered from fencing.net turns out to be too thick. After a whole week of metal work, i've trimmed it down and hope to get a good feeling in the fight next week.

HDG · 03-02-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by skit

The russian grip i ordered from fencing.net turns out to be too thick. After a whole week of metal work, i've trimmed it down and hope to get a good feeling in the fight next week.

Did you wind up with something like this http://www.amfence.com/gallery/Rambeau1.jpg?

rcmatthews · 03-02-2006, 08:09 PM

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Did you wind up with something like this http://www.amfence.com/gallery/Rambeau1.jpg?

Wow, if I ever picked up a foil, I would use that grip.

skit · 03-03-2006, 01:35 AM

it looks marvellous!
the reason i decide to change from the Ohlmann yellow handle to something else is i believe that such Ohlmann grip is no longer good enough for thrusting. it's design is very much for smooth flicking (you can also flick at any angle with this grip in hand!).

CvilleFencer · 03-03-2006, 02:17 AM

A fencer I know had his weapons mounted with these in a tourney I was refereeing last weekend and he let me play with them after I had finished refereeing his pool.

I have to say that when I first heard about them I thought LP was just using some "brand name labeling" to sell their standard Belgian with some rubber shoe goo on the bottom prong for a nice bump in profit. Turns out I owe them a big apology! For me this is an awesome feeling grip that does everything just right. I don't think it would have been the right grip for me when I first started as its beauty does not show through in simple parry reposte work, but when you are adding more advanced technique into your game this grip feels just right. At least for me. I strongly suggest anyone who uses a Belgian or is looking for a new style of grip check this one out.

Barry, is there any way to get one with some clear rubber on the bottom so I could try one on my epee? I will be getting some of the normal ones for my foils (If I can find them and shake off all the rust and dust. Silly foil, but Team Champs are coming up...) but would like to see how it feels for epee since I use your normal insulated Belgians on those.

skit · 03-03-2006, 07:04 AM

Here're my modified Russian and "G" grips

WhipLash · 03-03-2006, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CvilleFencer

A fencer I know had his weapons mounted with these in a tourney I was refereeing last weekend and he let me play with them after I had finished refereeing his pool.

I have to say that when I first heard about them I thought LP was just using some "brand name labeling" to sell their standard Belgian with some rubber shoe goo on the bottom prong for a nice bump in profit. Turns out I owe them a big apology! For me this is an awesome feeling grip that does everything just right. I don't think it would have been the right grip for me when I first started as its beauty does not show through in simple parry reposte work, but when you are adding more advanced technique into your game this grip feels just right. At least for me. I strongly suggest anyone who uses a Belgian or is looking for a new style of grip check this one out.

Barry, is there any way to get one with some clear rubber on the bottom so I could try one on my epee? I will be getting some of the normal ones for my foils (If I can find them and shake off all the rust and dust. Silly foil, but Team Champs are coming up...) but would like to see how it feels for epee since I use your normal insulated Belgians on those.

out of curiosity, what is your glove size? it's slightly cramped for me...i'm a size 9. but i think the control and "tightness" allows me to use less palm muscle and more of finger work.

what kind of advanced technique were u referring to?

is it a requirement for epee grips to be non-insulated, or is it just a recommendation, and if you get hit there then too bad?

HDG · 03-03-2006, 12:26 PM

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is it a requirement for epee grips to be non-insulated, or is it just a recommendation, and if you get hit there then too bad?

I think that C'Ville was referring to wanting clear rubber (which would be insulation) to avoid violating m.4.3.

CvilleFencer · 03-03-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HDG

I think that C'Ville was referring to wanting clear rubber (which would be insulation) to avoid violating m.4.3.

That was it exactly. Insulation does not matter (other than it "could" be scored on if hit, but with hand my size if they hit the grip they are hitting target anyway most likely) but the bark rubber could hide a switch and is not allowed.

With this grip I got the impression (considering that I only played with it for like five miutes while wearing a suit...) that I have more control for tight disengages, more fine finger control for Prise de fer and transferments and more ability to place the point in coupe, flick or agulated hits as opposed to the grips I currently have on my foils. They also, as you mention, force one to use good hand placement and finger control for their weapon which leads to smaller and more accurate/efficient movements, something a great many fencers could benefit from! I wear a 10.5 glove and with a standard guard I would not be able to use the grips without bloody knuckles, but with the Vniti extra large 120mm guards (which I need since I use epee sockets and modified cords on all my weapons) I have enough room as long as I am not trying to wrap my whole hand around it. Anyway, I was impressed enough that I am going to order a couple next week even thought I still think it is a stupid amount of money to pay for a grip!

WhipLash · 03-03-2006, 07:29 PM

ah... i see. actually i was under the impression that epee grips HAVE to be conductive, which is why i was asking about the use of insulated grips.

thanks!

HDG · 03-04-2006, 01:36 AM

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ah... i see. actually i was under the impression that epee grips HAVE to be conductive, which is why i was asking about the use of insulated grips.

thanks!

Not required; have you ever seen an conductive french grip [pommel notwithstanding]? Like you said in your earlier post, if you're using a non-conductive epee grip and it gets hit, "too bad".