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Purple Fencer · 02-09-2006, 10:26 PM

Does anyone happen to know what the size and pitch is for a German or French foil screw??? It'd be nice to get a proper sized tap in case I needed to chase a barrel or collar.

Mergs found out the size & pitch for epee screws, but I don't know if he did so for foil.

Mergs · 02-09-2006, 11:10 PM

Nope. Figured that there was too much variability, but I would suspect that it would be in th 1mm to 1.5mm range in diameter and a fine thread. Wait a minute and I'll pull out my trusty micrometer and Machinery's HB.

Purple Fencer · 02-09-2006, 11:18 PM

See....that's why I have you for an engineer!!

Gary Spruill wanted to know -- and for the same purpose. He tr4ied asking Uhlmann, but they pretty much ignored him.

I've found the Uhlmann/Sport 7 foil screws to be compatible in threading. I even had a guy bring me a foil once that had a Sport 7 French tip and barrel...but used German screws. no WONDER it was going off on it's own!

Mergs · 02-10-2006, 12:08 AM

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. He's been hitting me up too.

Here's what I've got as I sit around in my underwear and drinking beer too late into the night.

Dia = .06" which is about 1.5mm (only one measurement, could do a lot more if I could hold the little buggers right now).

Quick check shows either 1.4mm or 1.7mm diameter screws with a pitch of .3 or .2 to .35 respectively. Without a thread guage to check (of if our overseas manufacturing bretheren pipe up) It'd be tough to know exactly which one would be right.

Fixing to do some more road trips, so attitude is probably going to get a bit surly.

Thanks for the info about mask and body cord stuff heading my way. What about rest of 'stuff'?

Purple Fencer · 02-10-2006, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mergs

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. He's been hitting me up too.

As Scotty said to one of the Klingons in a bar in "The Trouble with Tribbles" (after said Klingon had insulted the Enterprise by calling her a gargabe scow....NOT a good idea)...laddie -- don't you think you should....rephrase that?"

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Here's what I've got as I sit around in my underwear and drinking beer too late into the night.

I'd say TMI....but that's pretty much what I do at home during the day...except for the beer part.

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Dia = .06" which is about 1.5mm (only one measurement, could do a lot more if I could hold the little buggers right now).

Quick check shows either 1.4mm or 1.7mm diameter screws with a pitch of .3 or .2 to .35 respectively. Without a thread guage to check (of if our overseas manufacturing bretheren pipe up) It'd be tough to know exactly which one would be right.

S'okay....it's not a huge rush.

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Thanks for the info about mask and body cord stuff heading my way. What about rest of 'stuff'?

Check the email I'll be sending you in the next day or so....

twisterfencing · 02-10-2006, 01:23 AM

Purple Fencer: Hey Sam,
Mergs: Hey Michael

Michael, sorry I was hitting you up too.

Update: Received an email from Uhlmann. Valerie (sales lady I guess) sent me the part number for they're foil screwdriver?

Sometimes I wonder if they (Uhlmann) know if they need a clue to have one??

I have sent off a foil barrel and a handful of screws to an engineer at a Metric and Multistandard company here in Dallas. Per his quote: If I cannot figure it out, they don't make it in metric. OK? We will see.

Only reason I am asking for this info is: I am getting a ton of the new 2006 vendor Uhlmann foil barrels that are bent to heck and back. Almost every time I use my mandrel, I forever take that extra wack onto the dang screw hole which folds the metel over and needs to be tapped.

Thanks for the help on this guys,

Once I find out for sure and with confidence: Will let you know.

Gary Spruill
Twister Fencing

KD5MDK · 02-10-2006, 01:57 AM

Hey Gary! Welcome to the board.

Andrew

Mergs · 02-10-2006, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by twisterfencing

Michael, sorry I was hitting you up too.

Gary, I wasn't complaining, just commenting. I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner or was able to get the measurement earlier. As Sam indicated, I'm doing a bunch of traveling this month.

Wanna lay bets it's 1.7mm X .20?

Purple Fencer · 02-10-2006, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mergs

Gary, I wasn't complaining, just commenting. I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner or was able to get the measurement earlier. As Sam indicated, I'm doing a bunch of traveling this month.

Wanna lay bets it's 1.7mm X .20?

I'm not so sure about the size there...I went to a metric specialty shop near work yesterday and tried to find something that fit the barrel. We tried a screw with a 1.6 size (don't know the pitch....teh packaging said 1.6X5)...it started to go in, then bound up.

Hopefully Gary's guy wil figure it out....or Uhlmann will divulge.

Alex_Paul · 02-10-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by twisterfencing

Only reason I am asking for this info is: I am getting a ton of the new 2006 vendor Uhlmann foil barrels that are bent to heck and back. Almost every time I use my mandrel, I forever take that extra wack onto the dang screw hole which folds the metel over and needs to be tapped.

Gary Spruill
Twister Fencing

Hey Gary,

I have told you the solution to this problem.....

Switch to LP points which NEVER deform and therefore NEVER need the use of a mandrell!!!

Alex

Purple Fencer · 02-10-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex_Paul

Hey Gary,

I have told you the solution to this problem.....

Switch to LP points which NEVER deform and therefore NEVER need the use of a mandrell!!!

Alex

Unfortunately, Alex, that does nothing for American armorers who rarely see an LP foil point...at least out here in the west coast...

Mergs · 02-11-2006, 12:19 AM

[quote=Purple Fencer]I'm not so sure about the size there...I went to a metric specialty shop near work yesterday and tried to find something that fit the barrel. We tried a screw with a 1.6 size (don't know the pitch....teh packaging said 1.6X5[quote]

If it started and jammed, it means that the pitch was wrong, so that means that 1,6 x ?? is where we need to be!

twisterfencing · 02-11-2006, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex_Paul

Hey Gary,

I have told you the solution to this problem.....

Switch to LP points which NEVER deform and therefore NEVER need the use of a mandrell!!!

Alex

Hey Alex,
How is everything across the pond?
Hope your dad and brother and yourself are doing fine.
You guys coming to this years Summer Nationals in Atlanta? If so, make sure you guys get your booth next to Scott's again. Had way to much fun last year in Sac Town. Just remember: anything I bring (tools and so on) you guys are welcome too in helping you out while there. Do me one favor: The new Saber pommel you make, the black one: change the size to 6mm. NO one here in the US carries a 1/4" allen with them. You guys "Over There" set the standard and now we follow it. :-)

Gary

twisterfencing · 02-11-2006, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mergs

Gary, I wasn't complaining, just commenting. I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner or was able to get the measurement earlier. As Sam indicated, I'm doing a bunch of traveling this month.

Wanna lay bets it's 1.7mm X .20?

Thanks Michael.
I fully understand the travel gig. The last count I had for last year was a little over 500,000 mile on an airplane. I looked at my AA flyer miles last week and my account shows a little over 1,246,000 miles.
I understand you were not complaining. I wanted to thank you for taking the time just to look. Dan (DeChaine) thinks the world of you and gave me your name/email address. Thought I would put the network of great Armourer's in force to see if the answer could be found. Once we all figure it out, then it will be old news.

Thanks again,

Gary Spruill

twisterfencing · 02-11-2006, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

Hey Gary! Welcome to the board.

Andrew

HEY ANDREW!

Good to hear from you!

How is all in Austin!

I will be down there in two weeks for the Masters.

Hope to see you there.

Gary

Alex_Paul · 02-13-2006, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Fencer

Unfortunately, Alex, that does nothing for American armorers who rarely see an LP foil point...at least out here in the west coast...

You have gotta start changing them! One at a time and you will gradually convert the whole of the USA for me!!

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How is everything across the pond?
Hope your dad and brother and yourself are doing fine.
You guys coming to this years Summer Nationals in Atlanta? Do me one favor: The new Saber pommel you make, the black one: change the size to 6mm. NO one here in the US carries a 1/4" allen with them. You guys "Over There" set the standard and now we follow it. :-)

Gary

Hey Gary, we will definately be in Atlanta for the nationals so I look forward to seeing you there!
The mark 2 sabre pommel will be a proper 1/4 inch so you will be able to use both 6mm and 1/4 in it

twisterfencing · 02-14-2006, 12:03 AM

[quote=Alex_Paul]You have gotta start changing them! One at a time and you will gradually convert the whole of the USA for me!![quote]

OK Alex, as a manufacturer you of all should know the answer to this thread.
What is the screw size and pitch to a Uhlmann/German foil barrel/screw?