Senior Women's Epee also in France

[Mo]

Wanting to check on how the women epeeists are doing in France, I went to the FIE Site and look what is there!!! http://voprod.videonavig.com/tvnavig...tal=2087230287
You can watch it live for three Euros.
How kewl is that?
Momster

[nahouw]

Winning in St. Maur will make her #1 in the World Rankings!!

Bronze medal at last year's World Championships, and 2nd, 1st ,1st finish in the first three World Cups of this year!!!

[Mo]

Winning in St. Maur will make her #1 in the World Rankings!!

Bronze medal at last year's World Championships, and 2nd, 1st ,1st finish in the first three World Cups of this year!!!

That is very kewl for Sherraine.
Do by chance know how Lacey Burt did??

The Momster

[nahouw]

That is very kewl for Sherraine.
Do by chance know how Lacey Burt did??

The Momster

87th. The Hurley's were the only ones who made it to the next day, and they finished in the 64.

[Mo]

87th. The Hurley's were the only ones who made it to the next day, and they finished in the 64.

Thanks for the fast reply.
Momster

[mgriffin]

All the results (and photos!) are here.
http://www.escrime-ffe.fr/SITE_FFE/stmaur/stmaur.htm

[KD5MDK]

How many did the US send?

[mgriffin]

How many did the US send?

Well, technically the US sent none, as American fencers pay for their own travel most of the time. There is too much of a chance that in typing in the names someone would be omitted, so I'll refer you to the documents themselves.

A listing of the American fencers who entered St Maur can be found here:
http://www.escrime-ffe.fr/SITE_FFE/stmaur/tireur.htm

Or here: http://www.international.usfencing.org/we1sr.htm

Looks like it was a tough competition. Congrats to Sherraine MacKay, who on three successive weekends has won silver, gold, and gold.

[T]

The US team gets Austria in the round of 32. If they win they get to fence Hungary.

The Team is
Kelley Hurley
Courtney Hurley
Maya Lawrence
Lindsay Campbell

They fence at 8:00am on Sunday!

[KD5MDK]

Thanks!

[nahouw]

The US team gets Austria in the round of 32. If they win they get to fence Hungary.

The Team is
Kelley Hurley
Courtney Hurley
Maya Lawrence
Lindsay Campbell

They fence at 8:00am on Sunday!

Final placement 13th:

Lost to Hungary 35-25 in the round of 16
Table 9-16 lost to Romania 45-37
Table 13-16 beat Spain 45-38
For Placement 13-14 beat Austria 45-32

[betty]

Final placement 13th:

Lost to Hungary 35-25 in the round of 16
Table 9-16 lost to Romania 45-37
Table 13-16 beat Spain 45-38
For Placement 13-14 beat Austria 45-32

The French Fencing Federation had the results posted on the FFE website as the bouts were finishing - LIVE!! How more efficient can you be! We are in the Middle Ages here.
http://www.escrime-ffe.fr/SITE_FFE/stmaur/stmaur.htm

[betty]

Well, technically the US sent none, as American fencers pay for their own travel most of the time. There is too much of a chance that in typing in the names someone would be omitted, so I'll refer you to the documents themselves.

A listing of the American fencers who entered St Maur can be found here:
http://www.escrime-ffe.fr/SITE_FFE/stmaur/tireur.htm

Or here: http://www.international.usfencing.org/we1sr.htm

Looks like it was a tough competition. Congrats to Sherraine MacKay, who on three successive weekends has won silver, gold, and gold.

You are right, the US doesn't send any of the fencers who ask to go and who pay for their own expenses, but the USFA bars many fencers from going. There is a quota in how many fencers per weapon the US can send to World Cups and Grand Prix. Usually the US let the fencers go even if they are not among the top seeded on the National Standings, as long as the quota is not filled with the top seeds, and this is mostly true for fencers who are studying or working abroad, although recently the USFA is barring more fencers from attending World Cups, even those US fencers living in Europe.
Since fencers pay for all expenses, one wonders why the USFA has recently adopted this less than encouraging attitude. As long as all the quota spots are not all taken, why not encourage good will and let the fencers who want the experience of a World Cup attend? Where in the US do you get to face fencers from more than 15 nations? At the Louisville World Cup?
Such an international experience can only be positive for the fencers and eventually for US fencing. It doesn’t hurt anyone to let a US fencer studying, let’s say in Germany, attend a World Cup close by in Austria, even if he is not ranked among the top seeds. May be he is not ranked well anymore because he is in Europe and cannot attend all NAC to make the necessary points?
As long as the US doesn’t pay anything and doesn’t provide any coach anyway, like in Women’s Epée, it would be only right to allow such fencers to compete abroad.

More and more countries are letting as many fencers as they can go and get the experience of international competitions, while the US is suddenly using the opposite policy and reducing the number of fencers competing internationally. Is there a long term idea there that escapes our understanding?

[edew]

That's not quite true. If USFA sends enough fencers to a World Cup, USFA has to send some number of referees as part of the deal. So if 6 fencers can attend without a referee, but 7 will require USFA to send one, then that extra expense is put upon USFA, which it may not have budgeted for.

I don't see any reason why a US fencer living in Germany cannot or should not attend local or regional or even national level events in Germany or France or Switzerland or Italy or any number of nearby countries. It's just that World Cups do impose some requirements to the NGB.

[KD5MDK]

One theoretical reason is that adding fencers below the level of the event will add fencers to the pools who will go 1-5 -20 or something and provide a substantial boost to their opponents, but will not be in the other American's pools, thus making the pools the top points list holders are in tougher than they would be otherwise in comparison.

Edit - edew is almost certainly right with his point about referees.

[nahouw]

More and more countries are letting as many fencers as they can go and get the experience of international competitions, while the US is suddenly using the opposite policy and reducing the number of fencers competing internationally. Is there a long term idea there that escapes our understanding?

FIE has put entry limitations on World Cups. Grand Prix max is 8 per country -- it used to be 8 per country plus your yearly quota.

Many European fencers attend the German Circuit, the French Circuit and the Satelitte circuit events and prove themselves in those events in order to earn a spot to be selected by their National Coach to go to a World Cup.

The USFA does not stop ANY fencer from competing in these circuit events.

[jspierre]

Winning in St. Maur will make her #1 in the World Rankings!!

Bronze medal at last year's World Championships, and 2nd, 1st ,1st finish in the first three World Cups of this year!!!

Hey - this is the real thread! Sherraine is burning up the WC circuit this year, hitting stride, and fulfiling her ambitions. The story here is dedication and determination from a nice girl from somewhere, far away Canada that comes in and achieves world-class results in an unlikely and difficult sport like fencing. I read her book and think that she's got great perspective on what she's doing, and why. She seems to have grace and class, never a bad word about anyone, especially her teammates, though clearly she is in a league of her own, and really carries her country hopes on her shoulders.

It's not like she's knocking off push overs, either: She beat Zhang Li (China), Stroka (Poland), Aleksejeva (Estonia), Flessel-Colovic (France!), then Duplitzer (Ger.!!) to win in St. Maur. This is no walk in the park!!

She sets the benchmark now from the Americas Zone in WE, and arguably among the top women on the regular WC circuit.

Need a role model in the sport.......?

[geordie]

Hey - this is the real thread! Sherraine is burning up the WC circuit this year, hitting stride, and fulfiling her ambitions. The story here is dedication and determination from a nice girl from somewhere, far away Canada that comes in and achieves world-class results in an unlikely and difficult sport like fencing. I read her book and think that she's got great perspective on what she's doing, and why. She seems to have grace and class, never a bad word about anyone, especially her teammates, though clearly she is in a league of her own, and really carries her country hopes on her shoulders.

It's not like she's knocking off push overs, either: She beat Zhang Li (China), Stroka (Poland), Aleksejeva (Estonia), Flessel-Colovic (France!), then Duplitzer (Ger.!!) to win in St. Maur. This is no walk in the park!!

She sets the benchmark now from the Americas Zone in WE, and arguably among the top women on the regular WC circuit.

Need a role model in the sport.......?

WOW, thanks for saying all this jspierre! I'm sitting her reading what you have written and as her husband I can tell you that you are dead on! I'm really glad you read Sherraine's book too! I personally think that it is a gem that needs to be discovered by all! Yah yah, I know, the bias husband! Honestly though...Sherraine is an incredible inspiration to me as well!

Cheers,
Geordie

www.sherrainemackay.com

[fencer08]

Geordie, were you surprised by the comment attributed to Laura (by the National Cocch, I think) and published in L'Equipe that she particularly disliked losing to Sherraine because they do not get along well?