Uhlmann Olympia Vs. Leon Paul Sydney

[mackillian]

LP jackets fit women with broad shoulders fairly well, so as long as you have an average sized torso (and I mean length-wise), an LP jacket would do nicely.

[Duellist USA]

You can talk to Rick about trying on the duellist stuff; he's in New Jersey, so it's not too bad of a trip from you.

Yup....even better is I'm at the studio in the city pretty often.....just a phone call and your more than welcome to meet up down on 37th and try to your hearts content....

Rick

Well it sounds good so far, anyone know where i can try on the kits? hah
will leon paul have a booth at Reno or Summer Nationals

See above post....cant get much better than that *s*


Rick

[stealingophelia]

my coach really pushed for an allstar kit, since EVERYONE in my club wears them i know they are good, i just wish i can try on an LP somewhere

[stealingophelia]

See above post....cant get much better than that *s*


Rick

thanks! i think i will come to the duelist store one of these days

[CvilleFencer]

Never used the Duelist kit, but I can't say enough about the LP kit. By far the best uniforms out there. I love the feel, the material and the cut. They are cool, move very well, are a nice dense weave, stand up to washing/drying very well and have the best fit and finish in the business that I have seen.

Last I checked, TCA and Duelist were using the same outer material. This sort of begs the joke "Whats the difference between TCA 800n and Duelist 800n? Aswer: about $100 and an underarmor t-shirt..." Seriously, the Duelist kit seems a better alternative to the Uhlmann/Allstar line, especially if you are willing to pay extra (and even more for pinstripes...). The Transpor is also a nice touche that Uhlmann/Allstar just do not have (but LP does). So it would be a good choice, but IMHO you can't beat the LP uniforms if you have the money to spend on them. Bentley's indeed.

I am however surprised that no one has raised a concern over the huge, like 4" long, labels or the duelist logo on the throat of their Evolution jackets that seem to make them non conforming for high level events due to their violation of the publicity code. I would hate to have that spiffy Evolution kit at a NAC when the FOC desides this is the rule they want to inforce this month...

I just realized that I sound a bit more down on Duelist than I intended. I think Duelist, from all I have seen and heard, makes a better kit than the Uhlmann/Allstar and they are a worthy option to the Leon Paul. As a matter of fact I think they are probably the 2nd best fencing kit around and that is mainly due to personal preferance/little touches that the LP kit has that I prefer. In short they are both top quality kit, I just think that LP does it better for me. And I don't have to worry about my LP jacket being non-conforming. Although pinstripes or US themed "Go Faster" strips would be very cool. Hint hin Barry...

[HDG]

I am however surprised that no one has raised a concern over the huge, like 4" long, labels or the duelist logo on the throat of their Evolution jackets that seem to make them non conforming for high level events due to their violation of the publicity code. I would hate to have that spiffy Evolution kit at a NAC when the FOC desides this is the rule they want to inforce this month...

There's a 3x2 LP logo on my jacket and a smaller one on the throat; what's the PC cut off? Don't have my rules handy.

[CvilleFencer]

There's a 3x2 LP logo on my jacket and a smaller one on the throat; what's the PC cut off? Don't have my rules handy.

I had not noticed it until you mention it but I have the same logo on my LP kit on the throat. I might snip that off before the next NAC just to be sure...

The rules say that the "mark" must be on the bottom of the jacket, on the non-weapon hip and that it may not exceed 4.5cm x 2cm. I am under the impression that the FIE shield symbol is not considered the mark, just the logo/information around the symbol but I am not really sure on that. The rules I am thinking of are part of the publicity code and can be found in chapter 4 section A. Maybe DHC or one of the other armourers with more experiance could comment on it.

For that matter maybe Barry or Rick may know of an exception that allows the marks. Hard to believe that they would make FIE kit that violates the publicity code without and out. This may be a rule that is generally ignored to some extent or there may be a revision that I don't know about. I guess one could always cover the logo up with athletic tape if the FOC rules Nazi's decide to harp on this one. I always have a little first aid kit with my bag for big tourneys as I usually find a way to get damaged. Yet another potential use I guess!

[KD5MDK]

I suspect for collar logos the theory may be it is impossible to read with the mask on, and thus not important, any more than a giant 2'x2' ad on the inside of the jacket that became visible when you unzipped it would be trouble.

[CvilleFencer]

Ah what a font of wisdom KD5MKD can be! I think that may very well be it. I guess I fell into the trap of seeing only the letter of the rule instead of the spirit. While the rules clearly say that the logo may only be in one spot on the jacket, with the mask on it truely makes no difference. I guess a real stickler could make a big deal about it but I don't know why they would bother. Of course I thought the same thing about the letter sizing on the names as long as it was legable until the Richmond NAC last year... Still, yeah I think that is probably the thought behind it. At least with the collar logo. Still not sure on the label itself being as large as it is on some of the kit though.

[KD5MDK]

Well, I was thinking it had to be allowed since every FIE uniform I've seen (Negrini, Allstar, Uhlmann, PBT, LP) has that collar logo, so I was pretty sure something had to allow it.

[mrbiggs]

Well, I was thinking it had to be allowed since every FIE uniform I've seen (Negrini, Allstar, Uhlmann, PBT, LP) has that collar logo, so I was pretty sure something had to allow it.

I know it's irrelevant, but the Estoc has a completely white collar.

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

If the uniform has that FIE stamp on it, that means its approved. Publicity code, protectiveness, fairness, whatever. Its cool.

[CvilleFencer]

If the uniform has that FIE stamp on it, that means its approved. Publicity code, protectiveness, fairness, whatever. Its cool.

Tell that to the folks who try to fence certain events in the Adidas FIE uniforms... There is a case IIRC that while the uniform is FIE, it is still against the publicity code. For that matter I could take any FIE kit you want, slap a CFA or RFC (my clubs) patche on it that were over the allowed size, and it is not legal. FIE is the material standard. The publicity code is a different animal from FIE certification alltogether. Both have to conform for the kit to be technically legal for use.

[KD5MDK]

Masks are homologated in terms of everything: Materials, design, manufacture has to be exactly as it was done for the samples submitted for testing. Blades are similar, I believe.

However, I don't think that uniforms are certified as designs, only as materials.

[stealingophelia]

wait guys, where is it best to get leon paul stuff? fencing.net or leonpaulusa.com?

[CvilleFencer]

wait guys, where is it best to get leon paul stuff? fencing.net or leonpaulusa.com?

Well for the longest time I just bought straight from Barry out of habit. I am usually not in a hurry for kit and the UK sight is a little bit cheaper. However lately I have been getting all my LP and StM stuff from the f.net store and I have been very happy with the service and shipping times. The prices are also cheaper than the LP USA store.

I have not used the new LP USA store but I know right now they are doing a move. In the long term it should help them be more responsive and customer service oriented but for the short term it may mean some delays or limited availability. Keep in mind that if you go with the LP Sydney, those are often cut to order. Since you wear a fairly average size there may be a set laying around for you, but no matter where you order from it is probably going to come from the UK before it gets to you. The good news is that for overseas shipping Barry and Co are damn fast. Usually within a week to the East coast.

[KD5MDK]

wait guys, where is it best to get leon paul stuff? fencing.net or leonpaulusa.com?

fencing.net keeps stock on hand, while LPUSA ships directly from London. LP UK is going through a factory move, so orders from f.net probably will be somewhat faster, in addition to helping support this website.

[stealingophelia]

Well for the longest time I just bought straight from Barry out of habit. I am usually not in a hurry for kit and the UK sight is a little bit cheaper. However lately I have been getting all my LP and StM stuff from the f.net store and I have been very happy with the service and shipping times. The prices are also cheaper than the LP USA store.

I have not used the new LP USA store but I know right now they are doing a move. In the long term it should help them be more responsive and customer service oriented but for the short term it may mean some delays or limited availability. Keep in mind that if you go with the LP Sydney, those are often cut to order. Since you wear a fairly average size there may be a set laying around for you, but no matter where you order from it is probably going to come from the UK before it gets to you. The good news is that for overseas shipping Barry and Co are damn fast. Usually within a week to the East coast.

great, gracias!