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Mr Epee · 02-02-2006, 02:15 PM

I guess the basic point is as follows:

By offering the same points for every event, you encourage participation in every events.

By offering weighted points for each event, you ensure that the strongest events will be well attended, and the smaller events will become marginalized.

I assume that the goal is to develop talent throughout the region.

If the goal is to a handful of "Super Events" run by the "Super Clubs" who profit from their home events while everyone else misses out, then the weighted competition approach may be the way to go.

hpfencing · 02-02-2006, 03:55 PM

So Plains Texas pick an event for their areas cup and the first place person geta 64 (or whatever points) and the CO division holds their event and the first gets 64 points. That's great except the Plains Texas Person barely earned there D at the event and the CO division fencer had to fence 7 A's to get there....

If they are divided by division into "sub-sections" for points and each division chooses, this could happen.

The "super clubs" as you call them are already in control of the divisions so they will decide that there events are the events to use, regardless of the quality.

Some divisions don't have two strong events, what then?

Lots of questions and concerns.

In march the politics....

I am NOT trying stop the RMSC by the way, I'm the one that pushed to get this years going.

We need lots of ideas and then the committee should look into the different ideas and will hopefully have something ready close to sectionals this season.

I'm looking at this from lots of angles because I have been getting lots and lots of e-mails throughout this season asking lots of these type questions and the new structure has to cover all these type angles.

Mr Epee · 02-02-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hpfencing

So Plains Texas pick an event for their areas cup and the first place person geta 64 (or whatever points) and the CO division holds their event and the first gets 64 points. That's great except the Plains Texas Person barely earned there D at the event and the CO division fencer had to fence 7 A's to get there....

To which my honest response is ... SO ???

As I outlined before, let's assume 3 Conferences, and just as way of illustration I will assign 4 competitions for each Conference.

RMS - East Circuit
Lincoln
Kansas City
Wichita
Salina or Sioux Falls

RMS - Central Circuit
Boulder
Denver
Colorado Springs
Maybe Wyoming somewhere

RMS - West Circuit
Amarillo
Albequerque (sp)
Phoenix
Santa Fe or Tuscon?

So far so good?

Ok, now place each person ONLY on the pointlist of their Conference, however maybe to avoid some of the major "unreasonable" events that crop up in both the East Conference (Wichita - Sioux Falls) and West Conference (Amarillo to Phoenix) you could make an exception to be able to replace on Conference result with a non-Conference result. This would be very similar to how the USFA handles Group I International points.

Obviously, there are a few things that will have to be ironed out by the local groups, but you will go much further by discussing these things directly with the movers and shakers from each city to be affected, than you will by setting up a system yourself and trying to impose it on people after you think you've decided what is good.

hpfencing · 02-02-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Epee

As I outlined before, let's assume 3 Conferences, and just as way of illustration I will assign 4 competitions for each Conference.

Might work.

The reason we are currently only counting everyones top 3 events is to cut down traveling because most of us live in a reasnable distance to 2-3 of those events and the higher level people travel this circuit anyway for the most part because they really as the RMSC has the strongest events in our section at this time.

Multiple conferences is another way of handling that issue.

Another issue: mixed events? or by gender? Cup for top fencer or cup for top male and female.

Parry Prime · 02-02-2006, 06:23 PM

I can see a good advantage to Mr. Epee's idea.

If fencer A, a winner of a weaker tournament, gets 64 (or whatever) points and, fencer B, a winner of a much stronger tournament, gets 64 points, fencer B would be more motivated to go to sectionals to "defend" their position. Conversely, fencer A, while on the high of their victory, could see Section Champion within their grasp and would also come to sectionals. I'm starting to see more and more logic within the arguement and I'm beginning to like it.

Thoughts?