10-22-2001, 07:38 AM
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| Edew at the LBI Eric,
Just what WERE you yelling in frustration during our pool at Long Beach this weekend? Dave Moran cound't figure it out either. At least one of them sounded like "Querva!" Dave thought it was Italian.
'Course, even I caught the naughty German yell
Of course, I think I was the only one who DIDN'T elicit such a yell from you. |
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10-22-2001, 10:00 AM
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| No, it requires getting a touch on me, or at least getting me to miss a big FAT touch on you.
Can't print them out here, but the various phrases are in Polish, Italian, Urdu, Korean, Farsi, German, and perhaps one or two others. I don't know if I use a specific phrase for a specific event. For example, if I do a really stupid thing and the other guy hit me just by sheer luck (read: Lerman), then I go ballistic with the italian. If I do the right thing, but hit off-target, then it seems to be the polish. Or urdu.
Also, Sam, you have to stop trying to take the blade. Every once in a while, just make a feint-disengage attack. Your feet move faster than your hands, and when you compound that with you trying to take the blade, you'll never be in position to hit anyone. Use the fast feet (not necessarily an asset, but if all you got is a hammer...) with NON-engagement tactics and just feint-disengage. Lastly, if you DO plan to take the blade, just go once. In most cases, you're attempting to take a non-point-in-line blade. So if you don't take it, so what? Instead, you wave your hand up and down until you catch the blade, all the while running at the guy with no concern for distance. Go for the blade, but if you don't get it, continue with the blade going to the body and HIT!
If you notice, I hit you twice with nothing more than a straight attack. None of my touches on you were flicks. One was a counter-attack where you ran into my blade in your attack to take the blade. In other words, you took the blade all right. But with the wrong equipment.
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10-22-2001, 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by edew:
<STRONG> Also, Sam, you have to stop trying to take the blade. Every once in a while, just make a feint-disengage attack. Your feet move faster than your hands, and when you compound that with you trying to take the blade, you'll never be in position to hit anyone. Use the fast feet (not necessarily an asset, but if all you got is a hammer...) with NON-engagement tactics and just feint-disengage. Lastly, if you DO plan to take the blade, just go once. In most cases, you're attempting to take a non-point-in-line blade. So if you don't take it, so what? Instead, you wave your hand up and down until you catch the blade, all the while running at the guy with no concern for distance. Go for the blade, but if you don't get it, continue with the blade going to the body and HIT!
If you notice, I hit you twice with nothing more than a straight attack. None of my touches on you were flicks. One was a counter-attack where you ran into my blade in your attack to take the blade. In other words, you took the blade all right. But with the wrong equipment.</STRONG>
| Yeah, I know. My major prob stems from lack of funds to actually pay for lessons. When I finally get some available cash (probably later in the year), I'll probably go to Derek Cotton on teh days he's at SwordPlay.
'Course, I'm also going to give him a looooong list of my perceptions of my weaknesses, just to see if I'm figuring the problems correctly.
BTW, did you see the DE between Robbie Carrillo and Chris Dollar? Chris was the little kid from SwordPlay. Robbie just couldn't win that fight...either he'd lose to a litle kid, or he'd beat up on a little kid! He was laughing through the whole bout...I mean, Chris is about 4' tall, and Robbie's what, 6' 4" or so? I think Chris got at least one legitinate shot on him, tho' |
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10-22-2001, 11:21 AM
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| My understanding, from talking with Kevin Urbain, fellow fencer from Stanfoo and was fencing in Robbie's bracket, Derek was just giving Robbie a hard time. Basically, if Chris ever got a light, Robbie couldn't get the touch. I think Derek was helping Robbie practice getting one-lighters as well as practicing himself for WCs where he has to kiss the french *** by calling everything for them in some way or another.
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10-22-2001, 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by edew:
<STRONG>My understanding, from talking with Kevin Urbain, fellow fencer from Stanfoo and was fencing in Robbie's bracket, Derek was just giving Robbie a hard time. Basically, if Chris ever got a light, Robbie couldn't get the touch. I think Derek was helping Robbie practice getting one-lighters as well as practicing himself for WCs where he has to kiss the french *** by calling everything for them in some way or another.</STRONG>
| Oh yeah, I love those conspiracy theories. I think Derek is probably getting quite a lot of money from being able to kiss the french's ***.
More on topic though, I found it quite puzzling that an 11 year old kid was allowed to fence with adults like this.
Robbie was nice to him, and everyone was, but this is not really the kind of tournament a kid should be fencing in.
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10-22-2001, 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by veeco:
<STRONG>
Oh yeah, I love those conspiracy theories. I think Derek is probably getting quite a lot of money from being able to kiss the french's ***.
More on topic though, I found it quite puzzling that an 11 year old kid was allowed to fence with adults like this.
Robbie was nice to him, and everyone was, but this is not really the kind of tournament a kid should be fencing in.</STRONG>
| Actually, there are quite a number of young kids out here who regularly compete and do very well in SoCal open events. The issue isn't so much the age -- we've all seen 14 year olds who stand over 6' tall -- but the size differance.
I didn't think it was all that unusual, but then again, I've seen small kids do very well at our section championships. There was one little girl who's even smaller that Chris Dollar who did the LBI...Sammie Kim from Beverly Hills Fencing Center. I could almost palm her mask, she's so tiny. Salute, disappear behind the blade! She can be agressive, though, particularly if she senses that you're holding back 'cause she's so little. |
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10-22-2001, 03:08 PM
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| Yeah, Samantha will be coming up to the Bay Area to fence some Y12 Bay Cup events. She did, last year. I probably won't swear in Korean, at least not near her parents. Then again, I won't be competing against her, so I wouldn't need to.
As for kids in tournaments, USFA has a minimum age rule for competition in open events, but only for NACs (Div I/IA/II/III). We (divisions in general) don't.
It's not conspiracy theory. I'm quite sure Derek was playing around with Robbie. As for a**kissing the french, it's well known that all referees have to or they don't get to play.
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10-22-2001, 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by edew:
<STRONG>It's not conspiracy theory. I'm quite sure Derek was playing around with Robbie. As for a**kissing the french, it's well known that all referees have to or they don't get to play.</STRONG>
| I'm pretty sure Derek was playing around too. I'm less sure Derek was actually practising "kissing the French's *** " or that he ever has kissed the French's *** . Probably only him can answer this question anyway...
Currently in the referee commission in the FIE, there is only one French guy, Serge Plasterie. And he's not president of the commission. All of the other members come from other countries. There is one person from the US, George K. These are the people who decide 'who gets to play'.
Eric, I think you have a grudge against French people. I don't know why, I have always been nice with you
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10-22-2001, 04:30 PM
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| No grudge against french people, just the powers that be in the FIE. Ok, maybe men's foil team of the past few years. And Obry.
All others are fine by me. Well, Pillet seems to be such a dweeb, as is Gourdain. And Ferrari, but I've already mentioned him above. But, there's no grudge against dweebosity.
Touya's cool, Flessel-Colovic is cool. Srecki is cool.
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