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NCAA Qualifiers I heard that the qualifying path for NCAA championships is very, very different this year. It was a rumour about pools, then traditional DEs, and once you're out, you're out. Where you finish in your regional qualifying event would determine whether or not you go to Houston. Anybody know anything about this? 
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Take this with a grain of salt, but this is what I heard.
This year each school can send 4 fencers to regionals (up from three last year) provided that they've each fenced at least 20 bouts and won 20% of the bouts they've fenced.
The format for regionals will be one round of pools with 100% advancing to DEs. Like before, a maximum of two fencers per school in each weapon can qualify for NCAAs. Results from the regular season only count for seeding at regionals and have nothing to do with qualification to NCAAs.
This years NCAA championships will be just like last years (big pool), but next year the format will be a round of pools and DEs.
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Also, at Regionals, once you make top 16 of the DE's you need to fence off for every place, i.e.
Win in top 16
Lose in top 8
Win in bottom 4 of top 8
Win in top 2 of bottom 4 of top 8
Final place = 5
Because they don't want people's NCAA qualification ending up based on initial seeds, since there's only 1 seeding pool.
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Hmmm, I had originally heard that it was supposed to be the regular format from last year with the exception that the superfinal would be a complete table of 16 fenced to every spot....good to know I'm wrong. I now dangle to the left....my tassle. Get your minds out of the gutter.
"Martin was not an optimist; he was a prisoner of hope." Optimism is about assuming there's evidence that justifies your outlook while hope is about creating the evidence and procuring your own happiness or vision of the world. - Professor West
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Most of the information in this thread is wrong.
There is a limit of 4 fencers per squad per school to regionals (prior to this year this limit varied region to region... Mid-Atlantic/South allowed 4, the West didn't have a limit, I believe Northeast had the limit of 3 mentioned). As mentioned, the limit to nationals is 2.
In order to qualify to regionals one must have won at least 20% of bouts fenced, fenced at least 15 bouts, and fenced in at least 50% of one's team's meets or 9 meets (whichever is less). Incidently, my opinion is that this is an absolute joke of a "qualification" criteria.
Format at regionals is 1 round of even-strength pools (there's a play-in pool to make even-strength pools according to the paperwork that's gone out), followed by a cut eliminating at least 20% and not more than 30% of the field, followed by DE's without repechage. As Andrew mentions, places after the L16 are fenced out completely.
Qualification to nationals is still 40% your season result and 60% your regionals result. Unless you're competing for an "at-large" slot, in which case it's 100% your season result.
Original news was that Nationals was also going to have this format (round of pools, cut to the 16, fence out all slots), which was why Regionals had to (Regionals are now considered the first round of Nationals, so they had to use the same format), but the official handbook for this season still lists the Nationals format as one big pool. Not clear what happened to the argument that Regionals and Nationals had to be the same format.
Expect additional changes next year as the Fencing Committee continues to try to tweak formats.
-B "Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"
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...oops, I totally forgot to correct the 4per/15bouts/20% thing, thanks Brad...I hadn't realized that we were going one pool straight in. You're right the qualification criteria is a joke, but I suppose it's in place b/c alot of the better collegiate fencers are forever missing duals for NACs and WCs (whether they should be accomodated is certainly up for discussion but I digress). There have definitely been situations in the past where top fencers were trying to get qualified for regionals at the very last dual of the season and needed all the help they could get. How do you feel about the 20% thing though? I kind of liked it at 40% b/c even at 40% the first round of pools was sufficiently weak, but I can see the argument as it allows members of a team with an abnormally hard schedule to try to make up for their dropped bouts. I now dangle to the left....my tassle. Get your minds out of the gutter.
"Martin was not an optimist; he was a prisoner of hope." Optimism is about assuming there's evidence that justifies your outlook while hope is about creating the evidence and procuring your own happiness or vision of the world. - Professor West
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 Originally Posted by bigdawg2121 How do you feel about the 20% thing though? I think it's an absolute joke.
It takes THREE WINS to qualify to regionals. What's the point? Might as well have it be open qualification.
40% was MUCH more reasonable.
-B "Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"
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