Epee Sim 1.5 Fitting Sandy Ut

[sallearmourer]

We had a rash of yellow cards given out at Sandy because some of the referees didn't know how to check epee tips using the 1.5 Sim correctly. The 1.5 sims does not have to fit all the way around the tip. All its has to do is to prevent the tip from being depress. There is no way you can get it around a Russian or the Itay epee tip the tip is to big around yet they are legal. Some German tips are set to close to the top of barrel as well. Hopeful at Dallas this problem will be address along with several others.

Ye Olde Armourer

[Chris]

For those people who aren't aware that Tim never spellchecks his posts; he is talking about SHIMS, not sims.

[ 10-21-2001: Message edited by: Chris ]

[Stryder]

Armourer-

Your students are old enough now to speak up when their weapons are being tested. The points you are using are so rare that most ref's haven't seen them before.
Tell them how to check those odd tips BEFORE they fail your weapon, not after.

[veeco]

This is funny: I just had the same problem at the Long Beach Invitational tournament this week-end.

My ref argued that the 1.5mm shim could not go in by force, it had to get in smoothly. I tried arguing, but to no avail. Got a yellow for that.

Oh and by the way, I was not using any of those exotic points, just regular German points from Allstar...

[Chris]

Originally posted by veeco:
<STRONG>This is funny: I just had the same problem at the Long Beach Invitational tournament this week-end.

My ref argued that the 1.5mm shim could not go in by force, it had to get in smoothly. I tried arguing, but to no avail. Got a yellow for that.

Oh and by the way, I was not using any of those exotic points, just regular German points from Allstar...</STRONG>

You referee is/was correct: the shim should go in easily. It may be snug, which will require that the shim be slid straight in, parallel to the point's surface, so it does not bind; HOWEVER, it should not require any significant force, twisting, or 'convincing' to get it in: this could damage the shim.

Tim was referring (poorly) to the fact that many (most) shims have a semi-circular cut, or notch, in them, to fit around the tip; an Uhlmann shim, presumably, would be made to fit nicely with Uhlmann tips, and so on... Some tips, of older russian, or chinese (et al.) manufacture, are a slightly larger diameter, and the notch on some shims is too small to fit them.

Tim also mis-stated the use/function (he usually knows what he's talking about, but doesn't usually explain it well.)

Fat shim (1.5 mm) must fit - thickness wise;
no depressing of the tip is necessary.
(if the tip is to big for the notch, the straight edge will suffice, but it should be checked on both sides at the same time (i.e. one shim on each side) to make sure the tip isn't 'rocking', or wiggling to one side to make room.

Thin shim ( 0.5 mm) must fit with point depressed, and NOT signal a hit.
THis ensure that, in use, the point is depressed a full millimeter (or more) before a hit is scored.

Hope that cleared it up!

Chris