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[Squall_Leonhart]

How do I spell "bondaroll"? It just occured to me that after three months of fencing I never bothered to get the spelling of common terms down, but others were easier to find on the internet. I tried variations of the phonetic (to me, anyway), but to no avail. Someone help the poor kiddo out.
If bondaroll starts out like with a weird spelling like "bundt"aroll of bundt pan or something in it, don't bother making fun of me.
Btw, why do I never hear "intaglia" used on strip? I think I see it often enough for it to count. To my understanding, it's when you basically lunge at an angle...is there something more specific than that? Or am I totally wrong?

[Inquartata]

I always saw it spelled "banderole". As with "Inquartata", probably there are variants in several languages

[VERITAS]

Intagliata is sort of a reverse inquartata. You step front foot forward and to the inside. Inquartata sends you left foot back and towards the outside.

[esskreemr]

Could you use 'bondaroll' in a sentence please?

Is it of Greek or Latin origins?

What is the definition of bondaroll?

[Gav]

I've never heard the term bondaroll. I'd like to be corrected on this: why are you using this? Considering how obscure this term might be (outside of the CF and HF crowd) Why bother using it? Why not just fence?

[Craig]

Originally Posted by Squall_Leonhart

How do I spell "bondaroll"? It just occured to me that after three months of fencing I never bothered to get the spelling of common terms down, but others were easier to find on the internet. I tried variations of the phonetic (to me, anyway), but to no avail. Someone help the poor kiddo out.

Banderole. (Fr.) A diagonally executed chest cut.

This is a chest cut that most commonly starts high-outside and finishes low-inside.

I used a banderole mostly when still fencing sabre in the "dry" days as a combo move - banderole followed by head-cut (or banderole, parry, head-cut).

Craig

[Adler]

Originally Posted by Craig

Banderole. (Fr.) A diagonally executed chest cut.

A posh way of saying "through cut" then.

[jBirch]

Is that the same as a moulinet then?

James.

[RITFencing]

I thought a moulinet was a circular cut made by turning the wrist. I'm probably wrong, though.

[jeff]

I heard "banderole" used Back In The Day when Jean-Jacques Gillet ran the American Fencing Academy that used to be at Cornell. I always thought it was a commonly used French term for a chest cut ("traversone" in Italian, though I always simply heard "chest cut") - rather than an antique one, or a historical one. It was taught as a diagonal motion.

Moulinet (Italian: molinetto) is neatly described in Wikipedia, of all places: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_Fencing_Terms "In sabre, a circular cut. A moulinet is often composed of a parry, usually prime or seconde, moving thence into a circular cut. This action, while really cool looking and impressive, is slow, since the action pivots around the wrist and elbow, and is rarely used in modern sabre." (You can argue about it if you like - that's what entries in Wikipedia are for! It certainly used to be taught with pivot around the elbow, and more wrist in modern times)

[Schiavona]

Dang, learn something new every day! Never ever heard the term "banderole" before, but now I have.

I once fenced with a guy who used a moulinet in foil, it was cool to watch. He would fient an attack, then pull his hand/arm back in a circle pivoting on his elbow and come up underneath his opponent's parry. Where's Mark Hall these days?

[veeco]

It's actually still used in French terms, but I believe it has taken on a more general meaning of a diagonal cut. I remember reading an interview a few years ago with Julien Pillet who said his favorite move was a banderole to the mask.

[Squall_Leonhart]

wow....That's really weird because over here, we roll it out like it's not...archaic. Maybe us sabreurs are an extinct species of esoteric fencers. (no, I know.) I thought banderoles were used more as an intimidation/mindgame tactic than for actually touches. I would think you'd have to be a real poo to get a touche scored on you like that.

[bigdawg2121]

Actually I can honestly say that in all of the clubs I've ever been in the term banderole has been used as a normal term. Interestingly enough all of my coaches have come from the same lineage of the first group of American born/trained fencing masters, probably not a coincidence.

And really Squall I think you know better than to accuse it of being an intimidation tactic...it is way too risky of a move to just kind of do willy nilly hoping that you're opponent will be scared enough to not hit you while you're doing it. I've also seen you and alot of fencers that are arguably not "poo" get hit with them while you're practicing. :-P

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by Squall_Leonhart

wow....That's really weird because over here, we roll it out like it's not...archaic. Maybe us sabreurs are an extinct species of esoteric fencers. (no, I know.) I thought banderoles were used more as an intimidation/mindgame tactic than for actually touches. I would think you'd have to be a real poo to get a touche scored on you like that.

You may be thinking of moulinets. A banderole is just a cut that looks like its going one way but ends up going another. It's not exotic or ponderous. It's still done all the time, the younkers just don't get taught the name for it...

[edew]

Originally Posted by veeco

It's actually still used in French terms, but I believe it has taken on a more general meaning of a diagonal cut. I remember reading an interview a few years ago with Julien Pillet who said his favorite move was a banderole to the mask.

That Pillet doesn't know what the heck he's talking about...