Come & say HI!

[Purple Fencer]

For those going to Palm Springs on Friday or Sunday, look me up if you get the chance. I'll be testing for my director's rating (probably in the Vet epee and Vet foil). Short, balding with a goatee. Just don't bother looking for anything purple...I decided, since I was going to be observed, that I'd play it straight.

Okay, Edew, you can pick up your jaw now <img src="graemlins/freak2.gif" border="0" alt="[Freak]" />

Just remind me who you are if we've met before (Peach).

Sam who-hopefully-won't-embarass-himself-too-much-=and-blow-too-many-calls <img src="graemlins/dunce.gif" border="0" alt="[Dunce]" />

[DamedEscrime]

Sam,
I'll just say hi now since I won't be in Palm Springs. Not that I would't give my non-fencing arm to go, but hubby put his foot down on this one. I do plan on making Reno though and sure hope to meet you and a bunch of other Fencing Netters.

MY sympathies as to the directing. I mean I really hope you get your certificate, but I was roped into doing it last week for a high school tourny. Please, somebody skewer me if I ever agree to it again. I was so afraid of making a wrong call...I was on edge all day. And nobody instructed me on how to run team events. Do I look like I just know this? GEEZ! One of my coaches came to observe my directing and told me later that it was pretty good but.....I didn't call jostling (epee)or fencing too close to the side line. I'm VERY glad he didn't watch me call foil. Talk about feeling inadequate.:crap:

Do well, Sam. I'll see you in Reno.

[Peach]

Sam - I'll look you up! You'll do fine. Remember that no matter what you do, you're going to screw up at some point (that's part of the process, they will use you past your level), but as long as you are clear, consistent, courteous, and in-charge you won't upset the fencers. Also remember that veterans can argue like blazes, so be firm.

Also, even if they're not thrilled with you the first day they'll still want you to keep working--the idea is to get some more experience. First time I refereed nationally a couple of coaches who weren't familiar with me asked the bout committee to take me off, and they did so, but the next day I ended up refereeing an event all the way up to and including the gold medal bout. Now that made my hair stand on end!

--Delia

[sallearmourer]

Hey Sam you better come my booth and say Hi. If you dont I hunt you down. Same to you Peach. If I find your book I bring it with me for you to sign. Adelia is doing some refreeing at the Div 1 level in epee. She does great at cadet and JR level and div 111 and Div 11.


See you all there <img src="graemlins/jester.gif" border="0" alt="[Jester]" /> <img src="graemlins/dunce.gif" border="0" alt="[Dunce]" />

Tim yeoldearmourer <img src="graemlins/freak4.gif" border="0" alt="[Freak2]" />

my motto ons shot one kill

[oiuyt]

[quote]I didn't call jostling (epee)or fencing too close to the side line.<hr></blockquote>

Uhm... couple of questions. Okay, actually a couple of questions and a couple of statements. Fencing too close to the side line. What exactly are you supposed to call here? I can have both of my feet ON the line and I'm still good, no call should be made. Also jostling should be called in any weapon, not just epee. I assume that you mean you were calling corps-a-corps in the conventional weapons and just not calling jostling when it occurred in epee? Although it really doesn't occur very often, you REALLY need to hit someone fairly hard to jostle them.

-B

[DamedEscrime]

Well, that's what I thought too, but obviously my coach did not. I only saw one fencer come close to going off side, but she came right back in, so I didn't call it. It wasn't like she was trying to stay there. And as far as jostling, I didn't think I saw any of that either. One girl was quick to close in on her oppenent, so I'm going to assume that he, seeing it from a different angle than me, thought jostling took place. I didn't see it that way. And it was my call.
Hey, it was my first time, maybe I missed something.

[fencingguy]

I'm not sure how close they are instructing directors to call it in the states, but when I was in Cuba I got carded when my foot slipped off the edge (they were raised strips). It barely even touched the floor, and I yanked it back onto the strip as fast as possible, but I still got a red card (I had turned my back earlier). So, in my experience, intent has nothing to do with enforcement.

[Purple Fencer]

Well, I survived the trip out, but I was fighting a cold all day, so I was flat on my back at home Saturday and the wife basically forbade me to go out on Sunday...and given that I didn;t wake up until 9 or so, it w the right call. I'm STILL feeling sick and weak right now.

I did sorta OK on Friday...they gave me Div I Men's Foil to start off with. YIKES! I was REALLY hoping they wouldn't do that...ah well. Bill Oliver was my observer, but we swapped off two and two, so I wasn't directing the entire pool. I was a bit nervous and I think I didn;t do overly well in that event. However, I got Veteran Men's Epee later on...did MUCH better there. They let me direct by my lonesone all the way up until we got into the round of 8. I also did a few DEs in Div I Women's Epee. I;ll find out how I did in a couple of weeks.

I spent a little time with Tim Loomis, so he didn;t have to hunt me down! Because I wasn;t there on the weekend, I missed anyone else who was looking for me. Sorry. Maybe at Reno?

All in all, I;m glad I went out. I just wish I'd been well for Sunday...I would;ve tried the foul again.

[edew]

The few calls I saw Sam make were pretty much on (in Div I MF). Then again, I couldn't see the light from my perspective, but the fencers didn't ***** too much about it.

I did see the "Ultra-man" parry-riposte hand signal. Couldn't see an instance where the attack missed hand signal could be used.

[Purple Fencer]

[quote]Originally posted by edew:
<strong>The few calls I saw Sam make were pretty much on (in Div I MF). Then again, I couldn't see the light from my perspective, but the fencers didn't ***** too much about it.

I did see the "Ultra-man" parry-riposte hand signal. Couldn't see an instance where the attack missed hand signal could be used.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Thanks, Eric!

"Ultra-man"...thanks for bringing back memories of many Saturday mornings when I was a kid!

I DID use the missed attack signal a few times, but you didn't see it.

Actually, Steifel complained about a couple of calls (said i missed his parries), but if I don't see it, I don't see it. Interestingly enough, Robbie Carillo didn't say a word, even though he had plenty to say at our last divisional event.

Y'know, there was a Spielberg in your pool...if ONLY there'd been a Lucas as well

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[edew]

No, no Spielberg in my pool. I had Breen, Gonzales, Brown, Tiffany, Ricketts, and Tucker (and me).

[Peach]

Sorry I missed you, Sam - I was looking for you Sunday while I was doing the vet WS. Hope you're feeling better.

I had an opponent go totally off the strip during one of my bouts second day, and the referee didn't say a darn thing. And in the vets I had a body cord fall out and HEARD the buzzer go off with the white light and the referee awarded an action against which began well after that. Every referee we had was good, though. Wish my fencing had been as good, but considering everything I met my goals &lt;sigh&gt; which of course is NOT what I WANT darnit. Grrrr.

[Purple Fencer]

[quote]Originally posted by edew:
<strong>No, no Spielberg in my pool. I had Breen, Gonzales, Brown, Tiffany, Ricketts, and Tucker (and me).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Whoops! Brain fart! Speilberg was in Vet Men's Epee. I got it confused because his pol was on the same strip as your foil one...likewise, both my foil and epee pool were on #16.

Duuuhhhh <img src="graemlins/dunce.gif" border="0" alt="[Dunce]" />

[mifencer]

PF,

You did an ok job. What Andrew said might have been true. You missed a couple of parries from me too. You got most the calls right , it took a long time for you to decide though and that was a little uneasy (most people would like to have directors make the call immediate - it instills confidence that the director presumably knows exactly what's going on). Oh, you need to get your button fixed on your coat.

My real gripe is that (no offense) the bout committee shouldn't have untested directors out on the open (div ii & iii, seniors, juniors -- ok). Or they should not have people who haven't been around fencing a lot in the past years direct high level bouts. Or they shouldn't have directors that EVERYBODY knows that they suck direct just because they're friends with the bout committee or have an accent.

PF, overall you did an ok job.

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[Purple Fencer]

[quote]Originally posted by mifencer:
<strong>PF,

You did an ok job. What Andrew said might have been true. You missed a couple of parries from me too. You got most the calls right , it took a long time for you to decide though and that was a little uneasy (most people would like to have directors make the call immediate - it instills confidence that the director presumably knows exactly what's going on). Oh, you need to get your button fixed on your coat.

My real gripe is that (no offense) the bout committee shouldn't have untested directors out on the open (div ii & iii, seniors, juniors -- ok). Or they should not have people who haven't been around fencing a lot in the past years direct high level bouts. Or they shouldn't have directors that EVERYBODY knows that they suck direct just because they're friends with the bout committee or have an accent.

PF, overall you did an ok job.

[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: mifencer ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


Okay...I'm going to take a guess here, based on your screen name, and say you're (sent via PM), right? I remember SOME of the people in the pool! I did my best. I know I probably missed a call or three...I wasn't too thrilled to get a Div I event, given my inexperience at directing outside of the divisional level. But...they tossed it at me and I was the junior guy, so I gave it my best shot. I was quite nervous at first.

i remember a couple of calls where I thought about it, but on others I thought I was reasonably fast.

re the button...I KNOW!!! I only bought the jacket a few days before, and when I walked up to the bout committe to get my pool assignment, the button came right off! I;ve fixed it, but I probably won;t use the damn thing for a while


Oh well...at least you didn;t have to tie my tie for me (someone else did that! )

[sallearmourer]

Hey Sam you had no choice but to come by and say Hi. We had all the weights and sims. What made me mad was the fact that I had to pull out of my tool box 6 sets of sims to use on Sunday for the epee to have enough to go around. The USFA had bought 40 new sets for summer nationals and all we had was 17 at Palm Springs. The signing out of the weight and sims went okay we got all back but one foil weight. And that person will have the cost taken from his per diem for a new weight. Most of the weight was check to see if they were legal as well. My recommend to the TC is to required that the referee buy there own sims and have them approved by the armourers for use. I wil all so recommed for South Bend and Saratoga Springs that the LOC for those tournements sign out the weights from the bout and issue them to the referees like we did at Plam Springs.

It was nice meeting you as you can see I get real busy at a NAC.

Sam when you referee at a NAC remenber this you will make some bad calls but you are the referee.

My sweet little daughter made some mistake according to a coach and she told them at my angle it looked like there was a( cord to cord) cant spell the right word there. That was the end of the arugement with him. She dosen't back down for a coach. She calls them as she see them.

Sam just go out there and do the best job you can and be consisted in your calls the fencers will adapted to you if you are consisted in the calling of your actions.

Tim Loomis