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10-01-2001, 01:14 PM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Passing and side of the strip in Epee
Some discussion on the rules came up this weekend and I would like to figure out what the correct call should be. I know the halt is suppsoed to be called as soon as the shoulders pass. My question is do touches still count if they occur after the pass? I have been told that the person getting passed gets one free shot, but does this have to start before the pass? What happens if the passer makes starts his attack before passing but it doesn't land until after he has passed?
Similar question for the side of the strip. Does everything stop when one goes off the side or do actions in progress still count? | 
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10-01-2001, 02:57 PM
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#2 | | Fencing Expert
Join Date: May 2000 Location: The valley of the -hot- sun, NorCal
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| Quote:
Originally posted by Crash55:
<STRONG>I know the halt is suppsoed to be called as soon as the shoulders pass.</STRONG>
Right.
<STRONG> My question is do touches still count if they occur after the pass? I have been told that the person getting passed gets one free shot, but does this have to start before the pass? What happens if the passer makes starts his attack before passing but it doesn't land until after he has passed?
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You don't get "a free shot". What happens is
that if you parried the attack before he passed you, you are allowed to do your riposte after he passed you. This should still be in one continuous action. You can't parry, wait there for the guy to pass, and then riposte. If the attack ends up after the attacker has passed the defender, then, it's to the discretion of the referee. The rules theoretically say that you can give the touch if it's in one tempo, but usually, it doesn't happen in one tempo, so that touch would most likely not be counted.
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Similar question for the side of the strip. Does everything stop when one goes off the side or do actions in progress still count?</STRONG>
Same thing than for passing, except that the one out of the strip will get a verbal warning the first time, then yellow, then red. If the fencer going of the strip is deliberately going out to avoid the touch, then it's a card (yellow or red I don't remember) right away.
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10-01-2001, 03:28 PM
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| What happens when the flecher's passed, and the parry-reposte landed, but a double shows on the scoring box? | |
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10-01-2001, 04:53 PM
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| Only one touch is given to the defender. cf. t26 ss in the FIE rulebook.
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10-01-2001, 09:39 PM
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| Regarding the side of strip....
If a fencer is off of the strip with both feet (broken the plane of the side of the strip) then s/he cannot score a touch. S/he CAN however still be scored upon. As above, in the case of a double light in epee, only the one touch is recorded. If the fencer has only left the strip with ONE foot, there's still the halt, but as with other halts, actions in progress are allowed to finish.
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