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Old 01-05-2006, 11:33 PM   #1
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USFA PR for International Competitions - Coup Heracles this weekend

I cannot understand how or why the USFA does "manage" the elite fencers participating in international competition. A quick comparison with the FIS (Italian) official website.

1. Weeks before any international competition it posts the list of the fencers which qualify to participate.

2. Few days before the actual competition it gives the names of all the participant fencers (those paid to go and those eligible to go at their own expense), coaches, team captain, referees, maestri, armourer, and physiotherapist. It also gives the schedule of the competitions.

3. The day of each competition, almost in real time (some time more than once a day) it publishes the results, top 8 and all placements and results of all Italian fencers.

In the case of the Coup Heracles in Budapest this weekend (Jan 6-8), a World Cup event for Under 20 in the six weapons, the FIS posted on December 23, 2005, the list of fencers eligible to go to this tournament. http://www.federscherma.it/news.asp?32189

On January 5, they posted the complete list of the participants, including the schedule of the events. http://www.federscherma.it/news.asp?32338

I expect that every day there will be at least one article on how everybody is doing.


Meanwhile at the USFA...

Nothing on the home page.

If you go to the new international program page of the USFA, after clicking for each of the 6 weapons, you can add up what appears to be a US contingent of 50-60 fencers registered for all the weapons (not clear about the alternates).

Is it really so difficult to put up a single list of who's going on the front page wishing them all good luck?

And what about a brief report of how they did?


Hmm...

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How about some people here post it so that we have it somewhere. It's easy enough for me to promote such stories up to the front page.

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Gladius,

It is certainly possible for the USFA to do what the Italians do, and more, but it depends on two things:

1. What the goals of the USFA are, and how those goals are broken down into constituant sub-goals that can be assigned to an individual or team to be tracked and followed-up on and accomplished......

2. What expectations the members of the organization have, and how they communicate those expectations to the USFA leadership. Face it, if no one (other than you ) pitches a fit, they are unlikely to be moved to action no matter what goals they have.

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I cannot understand how or why the USFA does "manage" the elite fencers participating in international competition. A quick comparison with the FIS (Italian) official website.

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Gladius,
There are constant accusations about "elite fencers" and the money and attention given to them. Here in the US where "everyone is the same and every child is gifted" only football players and lovely young tennis stars get publicity.

In Europe most of the countries have sponsored teams.
Take Germany for example. They have a huge center for fencing in Tauberbishofheim. There are something like 20 coaches who work there full time. If a fencer wins a world competition they are given a Mercedes. There is a wall of sponsors that support the German fencers.

In the US a winning fencer is given umm a write up in American Fencer!! Yeah how about that??

In Europe fencing is a real sport. In the US it's a hobby. The US athletes have always been amatures. In Europe, state run schools and sports were a way to make life better for the athlete's family.

It is impressive that the US fencers do as well as they have. They have to take responsibility for their own travel, coaching and schedules. Watching the WS team do as well as it did and knowing what they do for training was quite impressive at the World championships. (I am not saying the others were not impressive, I didn't get to see nearly as much.)

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It is impressive that the US fencers do as well as they have. They have to take responsibility for their own travel, coaching and schedules. Watching the WS team do as well as it did and knowing what they do for training was quite impressive at the World championships. (I am not saying the others were not impressive, I didn't get to see nearly as much.)


Not only this, but I think its also impressive to see a fencer medal at a NAC/make NRPS when they come from a fencing backwaters area. Just think, if they can hold their own competing against those from a 'hotbed' area, what they could do if they had the opportunity to fence more than once/twice a week. It would be nice if there was also some support/recognition for them also.
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I cannot understand how or why the USFA does "manage" the elite fencers participating in international competition. A quick comparison with the FIS (Italian) official website.

1. Weeks before any international competition it posts the list of the fencers which qualify to participate.

2. Few days before the actual competition it gives the names of all the participant fencers (those paid to go and those eligible to go at their own expense), coaches, team captain, referees, maestri, armourer, and physiotherapist. It also gives the schedule of the competitions.

3. The day of each competition, almost in real time (some time more than once a day) it publishes the results, top 8 and all placements and results of all Italian fencers.
That is a good description of how the Swedish Fencing Federation does. Our website has USFA beat by a mile (which is sort like winning over Stevie Wonder in archery )


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There are constant accusations about "elite fencers" and the money and attention given to them...
It is impressive that the US fencers do as well as they have. They have to take responsibility for their own travel, coaching and schedules. Watching the WS team do as well as it did and knowing what they do for training was quite impressive at the World championships...
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Mo, I agree with you that it is remarkable how well the US fencers do in the international arena given the ZERO PR support from the USFA. As a matter of fact Eileen Grench won today the gold in Budapest, according to the FIS website.

Sorry, no more details yet. I'll click now on usfencing.org to find out what's going on...

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Coup Heracles WS and WE

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Sabre Dames :
1. Grench Eileen (USA)
2. Gergácz Veronika
3. Varga Dóra (HUN) et Kharlan Olga (UKR)

Epée Dames :
1. Pegliasco Isabe (FRA)
2. Izsó Katalin (HUN)
3. Iordachioiu (ROM) et Nelip Ewa (POL)


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what site & location did you pull this from?
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From escrime info who linked to the Hungarian federation


http://www.hunfencing.hu/


Arany érmes: Grench Eileen (USA)

Ezüst érmes: Gergácz Veronika

Bronz érmesek: Varga Dóra (HUN), Kharlan Olga (UKR)


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Izsó Katalin párbajtőrban ezüst érmes! Az eredmény csodálatos!
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