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[jBirch]

If I have to write it here, you don't care.

Woohoo!!!!!

[Black Jeebus]

Are you trying to let us know the police are after you?

[KD5MDK]

Hawaii?

[Furry]

It was a beautiful thing...couldn't find a broadcast in Germany for it, but I was home to watch the previous 5...


So yeah, I watched the last half over a Skype webcam chat with my parents who aimed the webcam at the tv in the office.

[jBirch]

It was a steamroller. I almost felt bad for them. Twice in a row now and it doesn't look like it will stop any time soon.

C'est la vie, eh?

[Furry]

You know, I didn't feel one iota of sympathy. I think it will take a long time for me to forgive them for Winnipeg, if I ever do.

I think the 12-0 is more impressive though. It makes me really torn between having him come back to go for 18-0 or giving someone else a shot. Though maybe Patrick could take a break from Quebec and give it a go.

Now that'd be interesting.

[jBirch]

Originally Posted by Furry

You know, I didn't feel one iota of sympathy. I think it will take a long time for me to forgive them for Winnipeg, if I ever do.

Not even with all the tears? *grin*

I think the 12-0 is more impressive though. It makes me really torn between having him come back to go for 18-0 or giving someone else a shot.

True enough. It doesn't sound too much like he gives a darn: talking about going back to work tonight like it was a normal day at the office and all.

Still, I was pretty happy with the "official" (though not undisputed) 150+ and 3/0. I'm sure he'll be happy and it was hard earned.

James.

[Fencergrl]

You're such a good Canadian Jbirch!... but me thinks a little confusing to all but perhaps the Russians who are hanging their heads in shame (or drowning their sorrows in vodka).

For those that want to know what we're so proud of let me translate with this link http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...DA-JUNIORS.xml

See... now in hindsight should of it not have been obvious???

[jBirch]

*sigh* The girls always ruin the fun. That's why they weren't playing.

*grin*

James.

[Fencergrl]

[Fencergrl]

LOL.... I'm just proud... I want everyone to know! Na-Na-Na-Na-Na-Na-Hey-Hey-Gooooodbyeeee. Break out the beer! Canada is celebrating!

Let's see:
1) Canada
2) Russia
3) Finland
4) USA
5) Sweden
6) Czech Republic
7) Switzerland
8) Slovakia
9) Latvia
10) Norway

[Lemberg]

Ya?? What about a dissallowed goal for Russia at 2:0 and TSN refusing to show the Russian officials the tapes with a replay? I dunno man, maybe this sounds like sour grapes (when it comes to international hockey my loaylty is still with the Russians) but that goal would have changed the game completely.
Why would anyone want to give the Russians a reason to complain about unfair officiating?
I feel bad for the Russians.. in the last couple of years they had some bad breaks when it came to major sports events i.e. Russian goalkepeer and team captain Sergei Ovtchinnikov being thrown out (+ the penalty shot against them) in their first game at the last European Soccer Championships for what was clearly NOT a handball outside the box.... Or Kolobkov not making it to the individual event at worlds in Cuba several years back.....
Having said all of that, Canada did play a great game and deserved to win. But who knows what would have happened had it been 2:1 early in teh second period instead of 2:0????
Anywho, you people better watch out for the Olympics. Russia has really assembled a powerhouse team this time and without the egos of Fedorovs and such who tend to play the "me" game on international stage, they can do lotsa damage....
And you better hope Gretzky realizes that Martin Brodeur ain't what he used to be and starts one of the other two guys. Regardless, Olympic hockey is gonna be sweet.
Vpered Rossiya

[jBirch]

Originally Posted by Lemberg

Ya?? What about a dissallowed goal for Russia at 2:0 and TSN refusing to show the Russian officials the tapes with a replay?

The disallowed goal reminds of one in '96 Toronto vs LA...*grin*

But at any rate, it was clearly a goal on replay but the IIHF Referee on the spot didn't see anything that would warrent a video goal appeal. Nor did either Captain or either coach. The puck was in and out so fast that it looked to the ref like Pogge stopped it on the first try. I really don't see how it was anything but bad luck.

The TSN guys are/were just jerks.

The head ref was US, and the Linesmen were Czech and Fin. I saw two flying elbows from Russian players on Canadian players, a Russian stick to the head of a Canadian, all right in front of the ref that weren't called. Don't see the bias there except in favour of the Russians.

I dunno man, maybe this sounds like sour grapes (when it comes to international hockey my loaylty is still with the Russians) but that goal would have changed the game completely

Oh absolutely, roaring into the second period with a goal would have put the Russians back in the game and certainly would have put pressure on Canada. It would have made for a much better game absolutely.

Having said all of that, Canada did play a great game and deserved to win. But who knows what would have happened had it been 2:1 early in teh second period instead of 2:0????

A much more interesting hockey game, that's for sure. The third period was lax and the last two minutes were pathetic. Sure Russia was down 5-0 but they didn't even try when it got 5-0. They were just killing time until the game was over. That's not the Russia that's played in the past, that's for sure.

The first period sure as hell kicked arse though.

James.

[Lemberg]

James, I was not implying that there was any sort of bias. I was just pissed at how something like a fairly obvious goal was missed. However, the same cann not be said about Russian media who was "warning" the fans long before the game that the Russians will find themselves in the hands of refereeing staff strongly biased towards the home team. This is not new, in fact it's pretty common for Russian sports media to do that, especially when it comes to big sports like hockey and soccer (you should see their fencing coverage though, pretty well every najor newspaper has a fencing analyst who writes pages and pages during world champs and olympics). I don't know why this is like that, but for some reason teh russian media (at least the older generation) still has problems with openly chriticising their players. The things one reads daily in a Canadian paper where [insert your favourite NHLer] is being grilled by the media are very rare in Russia.
Regardless, this sort of negative sentiment has, without a doubt, been passed onto the players before the game (in fact I think I heard some of the interviews where they were saying that) and going into the gold medal game, this kind of attitude means the game is doomed. The Team Russia that stepped onto the ice yesterday was very different from a disciplined pass-minded team tat kicked the crap out of the USA just two days earlier - after allowing the first two goals the guys were trying to set up the goals by individually time and again, only getting themselves frustrated even more (although, I must say, Canada's forecheck had a lot to do with that as well) ... Khudobin was just outright pissed off, allowing a couple of goals he should have had.....
sad...
But like I said, I really do think the Olympics are far from being a lock for Canada, very far.

[Black Jeebus]

What is this hockey thing of which you all speak? I can only assume it must not be a very popular sport if we (the US) are not winning every event.

[jBirch]

Originally Posted by Lemberg

James, I was not implying that there was any sort of bias. I was just pissed at how something like a fairly obvious goal was missed.

I don't know if we saw the same goal, but it certainly was NOT obvious when I saw it first time. Replay? Yes, clear. But the initial play looked very much like Pogge stopped it.

However, the same cann not be said about Russian media who was "warning" the fans long before the game that the Russians will find themselves in the hands of refereeing staff strongly biased towards the home team. This is not new, in fact it's pretty common for Russian sports media to do that, especially when it comes to big sports like hockey and soccer (you should see their fencing coverage though, pretty well every najor newspaper has a fencing analyst who writes pages and pages during world champs and olympics). I don't know why this is like that, but for some reason teh russian media (at least the older generation) still has problems with openly chriticising their players. The things one reads daily in a Canadian paper where [insert your favourite NHLer] is being grilled by the media are very rare in Russia.
Regardless, this sort of negative sentiment has, without a doubt, been passed onto the players before the game (in fact I think I heard some of the interviews where they were saying that) and going into the gold medal game, this kind of attitude means the game is doomed.

Yeah. I've heard about that phenomenon but I hadn't had a Russian tell me that. Kind of a no-lose situation, isn't it? If the team wins it beat all odds. If the team loses then the host country was out to screw them.

The Team Russia that stepped onto the ice yesterday was very different from a disciplined pass-minded team tat kicked the crap out of the USA just two days earlier

Absolutely. That was a great game (and I heard the fans were rooting for the Russians in that game).

- after allowing the first two goals the guys were trying to set up the goals by individually time and again, only getting themselves frustrated even more (although, I must say, Canada's forecheck had a lot to do with that as well) ... Khudobin was just outright pissed off, allowing a couple of goals he should have had.....
sad...

Yeah, Khubodin was the guy I really felt was hurtin' there. The analysts were all saying that if Canada could get a couple of goals on him then he'd fall apart merely because of what happened last time. Those first three goals must have felt like kicks in the stomach to him.

But like I said, I really do think the Olympics are far from being a lock for Canada, very far.

Men's? Absolutely. That will be a stellar tournament no matter how it goes down. Too much talent on everybodies team for it not to be. Though I often find that while the game is crisper at the Men's level, it's not as gritty as the U20's. Those kids kill themselves and really feel every goal. Both ways.

The Women's? Not so sure. Canada has dominated pre-Olympic standings which makes them the favourite by far (including a gold in Turin). Who's the competition for the Canadian Women's Hockey Team? The US (the only peer team they lost to)? Pshaw. I figure it's their tourny to lose.

James.

[Larrison]

Originally Posted by jBirch

If I have to write it here, you don't care.

Woohoo!!!!!

Ok, so you did well in a pool bout. How well did you do in DEs?


This is fencing.net, after all....

[Furry]

I'd just like to defend TSN by saying that they allowed the Russians to view the reply but did not give them tapes of the incident. I personally don't see a problem with that as there was nothing that could have been done at that point. The IIHF will get a copy at some point and that's more important than the Russian officials in my mind.

Even with the goal, I seriously doubt that it would have made a difference, Pogge's play was solid throughout the tournament and in my mind the only thing that goal would have done was prove Gretzky right and made the game 4-1.

As for the Olympics...I'm planning on attending one of the round robin games, the elimination is too expensive.

*strokes Team Canada jersey* Soon my pretty...soon....

[Lemberg]

Originally Posted by jBirch

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Absolutely. That was a great game (and I heard the fans were rooting for the Russians in that game).

Nope.. the fans were cheering against the Americans
ANd I was speakingof mens hockey of course - women's no question about it.. Canada is pretty well a lock there