Turning your Back on the Opponent/foil&saber

[epeemike81]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Helvetica, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">Originally posted by D'Artagnan1673:
<strong>In this particular instance, I was carded because I turned my head to see how far I had before I went off the strip.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">Couldn't you judge where you were by the position of the en garde and warning lines?????

-m

[D'Artagnan1673]

I don't remember if they actually had those at that tournament. They probably did but I fence so few tournaments that I don't notice those things.

[craban]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Helvetica, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">Originally posted by 135711:
<strong>i'm not really a fan of that 'insulting' thing, it's sort of archaic.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">For whatever reason I thought he meant 'after the touch' - and I like archaic. I guess I took it for granted that turning around during the bout would allow yourself to get stabbed in the head - I had no idea anybody would do it, much less that people spent time practicing ways to cheat while they were at it.

Call me nieve. oh well.

[135711]

i've never had the opportunity to watch germany fence. but i'd like to. i almost went to germany this past spring to stay, i was hoping to work with their nutrition programs, but we had 911, so everyone went onto a hold pattern.

[peircer]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Helvetica, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">Originally posted by achilleus:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Helvetica, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">Originally posted by D'Artagnan1673:
<strong>I know that this is trivial, but I thought it was the Germans who were the ones that liked to turn their back.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">No, the Germans love to have blades that huge bends, and they also parry with their off-hands. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">Yeah, weren't the German's responsible for the no reversing shoulders rule in foil, because they would "parry" with their back arm?

[epeemike81]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Helvetica, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">Originally posted by peircer:
<strong>Yeah, weren't the German's responsible for the no reversing shoulders rule in foil, because they would "parry" with their back arm?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">the way I heard it, the no reversing rule was due to two factors:
1) by reversing shoulders, you can ground your weapon on your lamee more easily, which, on the old boxes, would not allow your opponent to score a touch.

2) The Germans reversed shoulders during infighting. As I have noted in other posts, this allows for MUCH easier touches. the French did NOT teach this. The French controlled the FIE. rather than adjust their system, the French just outlawed the other one. I don't think it had to do with parrying with back arm, as you can do that either way.

As I said, these are just the reasons I have heard.

-m

[veeco]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Helvetica, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">Originally posted by epeemike81:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Helvetica, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">Originally posted by peircer:
<strong>Yeah, weren't the German's responsible for the no reversing shoulders rule in foil, because they would "parry" with their back arm?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">the way I heard it, the no reversing rule was due to two factors:
1) by reversing shoulders, you can ground your weapon on your lamee more easily, which, on the old boxes, would not allow your opponent to score a touch.

2) The Germans reversed shoulders during infighting. As I have noted in other posts, this allows for MUCH easier touches. the French did NOT teach this. The French controlled the FIE. rather than adjust their system, the French just outlawed the other one. I don't think it had to do with parrying with back arm, as you can do that either way.

As I said, these are just the reasons I have heard.

-m</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">Actually it's easier to parry with the back arm when your shoulders are reversed. Not because the position makes it easier, but more because it allows you to shield the action from the director's prying eyes...

[135711]

i heard the same thing, the director can be a problem, however, if you do things just right, you may be able to parry under your arm while twisting transversly and still get the touch.