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View Poll Results: Should petitions be in the politics section instead of the fencing discussion? | |
Yes
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No
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12-21-2005, 02:32 AM
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#1 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Ypsilanti, Mi USA
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| Should petitions all go in the politics section?
Petitions are all politics, I think they should go in the political section instead of the main fencing ones.
What do the rest of you think?  | 
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12-21-2005, 03:13 AM
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#2 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 8,889
| No. The politics board is for the discussion of the politics of government and related matters. To combine core topics of fencing (who sets the rules and how) with the essentially off-topic discussion which goes on there is inappropriate and diminishes the involvement of other people in them. | |
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12-21-2005, 09:47 AM
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#3 | | Senior Member
Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mid-West USA
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK No. The politics board is for the discussion of the politics of government and related matters. To combine core topics of fencing (who sets the rules and how) with the essentially off-topic discussion which goes on there is inappropriate and diminishes the involvement of other people in them. | I completely agree.
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Feltan | |
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12-21-2005, 02:48 PM
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#4 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC area
Posts: 2,501
| Maybe we could have a "petitions only" section for all the petitions to go in. Maybe I should petition for one.......
Wait....this post actually belongs in the "Comments and Suggestions" section, doesn't it?  | |
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12-21-2005, 05:03 PM
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#5 | | Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Scotland
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| Y'know; there is already a discussion in comments/suggestion regarding polls. Is that what we are talking about? Or are we talking about petitions ... something that this site hasn't [so far] organised. The purpose of discussion, and specifically fencing in this section, is to ... well ... discuss things. If that means discussing a petition then I don't see a problem with that. I mean, this board is hardly 'awash' with petitions - is it?
Strictly speaking a great deal of the threads in this section are 'politics'. | |
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12-21-2005, 10:42 PM
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#6 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 261
| Why waste the time? Really.
It's not whether petitions are political or not, it's just that petitions are so laughably impotent. If one feels strongly about an issue, either run for the office or find a like-minded person to run. You advertise the issue as widely as possible and see whether you can get enough support to win the next election. If you can't, then you should re-examine your perspective on the issue and quit whining.
My two cents.
Dieter | |
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12-22-2005, 05:32 AM
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#7 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 707
| Petitions have been and are very useful. And on subjects which are far more important than foil timings.
The argument of elections is not a good one in my humble opinion. Not everybody wants to be elected. But everybody has an opinion.
And if a majority of foilists is against these broken Roch timings, they must be cancelled.
This has nothing to do with whinning. Just plain democracy.
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Just forget these broken foil test timings !
Use clear visor masks for fishing,
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12-22-2005, 10:40 PM
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#8 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 261
| To submit a petition makes the assumption that the person or organization receiving the petition actually cares. If that were the case, a number of simple letters or emails from respected individuals and even ordinary ones would suffice.
In the case of Mr. Roche, I would speculate that he recognizes a goal higher than the reactive outcries of the masses. Of course, this has been the common rationale for a variety of barbarisms in history . . .
In my opinion, Mr. Roche is chasing a fantasy. I believe that even if he succeeds in enlisting every country on the planet, mandatating clear masks, mangling the timings, removing off target, adding additional conductive materials to various places on foil fencers' bodies, and generally turning foil into epee, fencing will still not be televised and then will anyway be unceremoniously kicked out of the Olympics in favor of real money-making sports such as hot-dog eating or mud wrestling.
Then, after the "worst" has happened, Mr. Roche will retire, fencing will continue to grow at the same pace, and we can hopefully retrieve foil for what it was meant to be.
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12-23-2005, 04:02 AM
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#9 | | Épéeist Hive Queen
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Originally Posted by DieterS ...and we can hopefully retrieve foil for what it was meant to be. | ...a training tool for épée..? *runs for cover* 
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12-23-2005, 04:50 PM
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#10 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen ...a training tool for épée..? *runs for cover* | Care to let us know where you live? | |
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12-23-2005, 10:49 PM
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#11 | | Question Game Queen
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Originally Posted by DieterS Care to let us know where you live? | Everyone already knows where she lives.  | |
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