Petition against Roch Timings

[Alan]

mobilisation nouvelles normes pétition.
Nouvelles normes mobilisation nouvelles normes pétition

Mouvement pour la sauvegarde de l’escrime conventionnelle
(Association loi de 1901 sans but lucratif)

Nous devons informer les escrimeurs et leurs familles du caractère
gravissime des réformes qui visent le fleuret et le sabre.

Chacun doit savoir que ces réformes (réglage des appareils, temps de
blocage et temps de contact) vont à l’encontre de l’esprit et de la
lettre de la convention.

Chacun doit savoir que les nouvelles normes ont été validées par la FIE
en son dernier congrès (12 et 13 novembre 2005), après une période
d’essai sur le seul haut niveau, sans aucune concertation avec les
pratiquants ni avec les éducateurs, sans explication et en dépit de
l’opposition de grandes fédérations nationales. Ces réformes condamnent
le fleuret et le sabre à court terme.

Nous n’avons pas le droit de nous résigner à subir une telle sentence.
Nous avons le devoir de nous unir afin de sauvegarder l’escrime
conventionnelle et l’escrime aux trois armes.

Rejoignez-nous sur le site
http://normes.mobilisation.free.fr
Signez la pétition

Ecrivez-nous à
normes.mobilisation@free.fr
Faîtes connaître le mouvement.


English version to follow ...

[PeterGustafsson]

Hi!


Aah... GROANNNNN!


Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

[downunder]

they're in mate, confirmed. Its over. You lost.

I don't necessarily agree with the timings, but Roch is not backing down. Foilists will simply have to live with it. Thats the reality. You can complain and whine all you like, but thats what it comes down to.

[Alan]

they're in mate, confirmed. Its over. You lost.

I don't necessarily agree with the timings, but Roch is not backing down. Foilists will simply have to live with it. Thats the reality. You can complain and whine all you like, but thats what it comes down to.

Come on. In a real democracy, if a majority of foilists is against these broken timings, they could be changed.

Let's see how many foilists sign this petition.

And don't forget this petiton is also against other stupid reforms to come ( no white lights, change of the valid surface etc ...)

[veeco]

I don't a lot of foilists will sign it.

For the following clear reasons:

- It's clear foilists cannot spell nor write their name
- It's clear foilists cannot handle such a heavy thing as a 'pen', which is heavier than a toothpick.
- And finally it's clear that maybe a lot of French speaking foilists will sign it, but there are a lot of other people who cannot speak the language, who would probably apreciate a translation in English and Spanish, the other official languages of the FIE.

[foily]

I don't a lot of foilists will sign it.

For the following clear reasons:

- It's clear foilists cannot spell nor write their name

And I really don't I could learn in time, I'm a don'tful person in general and have real don'ts about my ability to learn in general.

[veeco]

Hey, I am the first to admit it, I dabbled in foil too!

[Gav]

I'm sorry Alan, I don't speak or read French very well. I would be more inclined to sign it were you to provide a decent English translation.

[Joe biebel]

Hey, I am the first to admit it, I dabbled in foil too!

Yah, a lot of us have, but you must have inhaled.

[HDG]

Come on. In a real democracy, if a majority of foilists is against these broken timings, they could be changed.

Let's see how many foilists sign this petition.

And don't forget this petiton is also against other stupid reforms to come ( no white lights, change of the valid surface etc ...)

How many times have you insisted that the FIE is no longer a democracy? No democracy, no point in petitioning.

[the doc]

well, my french is a bit rusty but here is a translation if you wish.

it says: wah, wah, wah, wah, wah.

actually, it says they wish to safeguard the character of conventional fencing and wish to inform you of the serious problems of the new timings.
and can we have the old timings back please.

please sign the attached documents. it won't make a blind bit of difference, but it would cheer us up anyway.

thanks
some whiny french foilists.

hope that helps. glad to be of service.

[the doc]

ps i missed a bit out.

it says, what makes us really mad is that you didn't ask us first. and its against the spirit and letter of the rules.

[rsy]

How many times have you insisted that the FIE is no longer a democracy? No democracy, no point in petitioning.

Not true. Short of resistance and revolution, the petition is the recognized form of redress in a monarchy. Therefore, if Alan's metaphor holds true, then a petition is the appropriate avenue to approach the monarch and humbly seek a remediation and rectification. May I suggest it begin:

MOST GRACIOUS SOVEREIGN,
We, your Majesty's faithful subjects, entreat your Majesty's gracious attention to this our humble petition.

and end:

That your Majesty may enjoy a long and prosperous reign, and that your descendants may govern your dominions with honor to themselves and happiness to their subjects, is our sincere and fervent prayer.

It didn't work with George III, but maybe it will this time around.

-r

[HDG]

Not true. Short of resistance and revolution, the petition is the recognized form of redress in a monarchy. Therefore, if Alan's metaphor holds true, then a petition is the appropriate avenue to approach the monarch and humbly seek a remediation and rectification. May I suggest it begin:

MOST GRACIOUS SOVEREIGN,
We, your Majesty's faithful subjects, entreat your Majesty's gracious attention to this our humble petition.

and end:

That your Majesty may enjoy a long and prosperous reign, and that your descendants may govern your dominions with honor to themselves and happiness to their subjects, is our sincere and fervent prayer.

It didn't work with George III, but maybe it will this time around.

-r

Ahhhh, good old supplication.

[KD5MDK]

No, that's when you clasp your enemy by the knees while on your own and beg for mercy for yourself and your family (etc). Greek, not monarchical.

[downunder]

How many times have you insisted that the FIE is no longer a democracy? No democracy, no point in petitioning.

de·moc·ra·cy

1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.


elected representatives?

sounds just like what we have....

[glowstix]

mobilisation nouvelles normes pétition.
Nouvelles normes mobilisation nouvelles normes pétition

Mouvement pour la sauvegarde de l’escrime conventionnelle
(Association loi de 1901 sans but lucratif)

Nous devons informer les escrimeurs et leurs familles du caractère
gravissime des réformes qui visent le fleuret et le sabre.

Chacun doit savoir que ces réformes (réglage des appareils, temps de
blocage et temps de contact) vont à l’encontre de l’esprit et de la
lettre de la convention.

Chacun doit savoir que les nouvelles normes ont été validées par la FIE
en son dernier congrès (12 et 13 novembre 2005), après une période
d’essai sur le seul haut niveau, sans aucune concertation avec les
pratiquants ni avec les éducateurs, sans explication et en dépit de
l’opposition de grandes fédérations nationales. Ces réformes condamnent
le fleuret et le sabre à court terme.

Nous n’avons pas le droit de nous résigner à subir une telle sentence.
Nous avons le devoir de nous unir afin de sauvegarder l’escrime
conventionnelle et l’escrime aux trois armes.

Rejoignez-nous sur le site
http://normes.mobilisation.free.fr
Signez la pétition

Ecrivez-nous à
normes.mobilisation@free.fr
Faîtes connaître le mouvement.


English version to follow ...

uuggghh!! all you did was remind me that i have to continue to learn french...i'm terrible right now..

[HDG]

de·moc·ra·cy

1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.


elected representatives?

sounds just like what we have....

Not exactly my point; just questioning Alan's advocacy of democratic means to change an organization that Alan has said is non-democratic.

[esskreemr]

mobilisation nouvelles normes pétition.
Nouvelles normes mobilisation nouvelles normes pétition

Mouvement pour la sauvegarde de l’escrime conventionnelle
(Association loi de 1901 sans but lucratif)

Nous devons informer les escrimeurs et leurs familles du caractère
gravissime des réformes qui visent le fleuret et le sabre.

Chacun doit savoir que ces réformes (réglage des appareils, temps de
blocage et temps de contact) vont à l’encontre de l’esprit et de la
lettre de la convention.

Chacun doit savoir que les nouvelles normes ont été validées par la FIE
en son dernier congrès (12 et 13 novembre 2005), après une période
d’essai sur le seul haut niveau, sans aucune concertation avec les
pratiquants ni avec les éducateurs, sans explication et en dépit de
l’opposition de grandes fédérations nationales. Ces réformes condamnent
le fleuret et le sabre à court terme.

Nous n’avons pas le droit de nous résigner à subir une telle sentence.
Nous avons le devoir de nous unir afin de sauvegarder l’escrime
conventionnelle et l’escrime aux trois armes.

Rejoignez-nous sur le site
http://normes.mobilisation.free.fr
Signez la pétition

Ecrivez-nous à
normes.mobilisation@free.fr
Faîtes connaître le mouvement.


English version to follow ...

New standards mobilization petition.

New standards mobilization new standards petition

Movement for the safeguard of conventional fencing (Association law of 1901 non-profit-making)

We must inform the fencers and their families of the extremely serious character of the reforms which are aimed at foil and sabre.

Everyone should know that these reforms (adjustment of the apparatuses, time of blocking and time of contact) go against the spirit and letter of convention.

Everyone should know that the new standards were validated by TRUSTS in its last congress (November 12, and 13 2005), after one probation period at only the elite level, without any dialogue with the general practitioners or with coaches, without explanation and in spite of the opposition of many national federations. These reforms condemn foil and sabre in the short-term.

We do not have the right to give in to such a sentence. We have the duty to unite in order to safeguard conventional fencing and the fencing of all three weapons.

Join us on the site
http://normes.mobilisation.free.fr
Sign the petition

Write us at
normes.mobilisation@free.fr
For more information on the movement.

[Alan]

Thanks for the translation.

The main ideas of this Courageous Maitre d'Armes against these broken timings were already translated here :

http://www.fencing.net/forums/fencin...itre+d%27armes