Petition to recall USFA President

[Capt. Slo-mo]

2. Those who oppose the recall (out of fear that it will result in a USOC takeover) have greater insight with respect to the workings of the USOC than recall proponents
The recall proponents include the two most recent Olympic Team captains (since 1984); five Olympic Team coaches; and six members of the Athens Olympic Team....snip

I find it mildly ironic that when the recall first started, Former Prez Stacey Johnson was held up by Dr. Lutz as a bastion of virtue embodying everything a capable Prez should be.

But when she crosses their efforts, it's:

Our contacts with and knowledge of the USOC are at least equal to those of the recall opponents.

[dr.lutz]

[QUOTE=Capt. Slo-mo]I find it mildly ironic that when the recall first started, Former Prez Stacey Johnson was held up by Dr. Lutz as a bastion of virtue embodying everything a capable Prez should be.

Slo-mo, nothing or anyone is absolute.

I like some of your postings, and disagree with others.

Stacey was a great President, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything she does or says.

With respect to the memo she co-authored with Steve Sobel, I feel it was a scare tactic meant to harm the recall.

In this case, I not only disagree with the memo's claims, but the tactic itself.

In conclusion, I feel that Ms. Johnson's current stance, which can only be meant to harm the recall effort (which would keep Nancy in office for two and a half more years), is not in the best interests of American fencing.

That doesn't take away anything from her legacy as USFA President.

However, that was then, and this is now.

Dr. Lutz

[Capt. Slo-mo]

I like some of my postings too, but some of the time I disagree with myselves, as well.

All the same: a former President--who you held up as capable and forthright--cautions from within the USOC about the possible ramifications of your pet project, and now she's just a scaremongerer?

Convenient sliding scale you use.

[dr.lutz]

I like some of my postings too, but some of the time I disagree with myselves, as well.

All the same: a former President--who you held up as capable and forthright--cautions from within the USOC about the possible ramifications of your pet project, and now she's just a scaremongerer?

Convenient sliding scale you use.

Slo-Mo,

In the opinion of the Committee to Save US Fencing, we do believe that the memo co-authored by Stacey and Steve was over-stating or over-implying the potential USOC problem.

Please go to our site as see the rebuttal to their memo, as that spells out why we have that opinion.

http://www.geocities.com/save_usfencing/

Actually, nothing about my stance is convenient at all, as it involved taking a public stand against two very good friends who I have worked with for a very long time.

Dr. Lutz

[oso97]

How can it be public if you haven't disclosed your identity?

[dr.lutz]

How can it be public if you haven't disclosed your identity?

It is no secret who is involved.

It is no secret to Stacey or Steve, either.

It is no secret to the hundreds of people we've spoken to at the NACS, called on the phone, or sent emails to.

Hopefully, Craig will interview us as a response to Nancy's interview, and then the four names will be out. While those four took the initiative, there are many who were behind them long before the recall went public.

Dr. Lutz

[oso97]

yes, but what is YOUR identity, Dr. Lutz?

[eze]

So you are either:

1. Carl Borack
2. Jeff Bukantz
3. Paul Soter
4. Cathy Zagunis


Given that the effort is headquartered at Oregon Fencing Alliance, my guess is #4. (Plus I can't see any of the other 3 hanging out on a message board all day).

Hopefully, Craig will interview us as a response to Nancy's interview, and then the four names will be out.

Dr. Lutz

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

So you are either:

1. Carl Borack
2. Jeff Bukantz
3. Paul Soter
4. Cathy Zagunis


Given that the effort is headquartered at Oregon Fencing Alliance, my guess is #4. (Plus I can't see any of the other 3 hanging out on a message board all day).

I think you're wrong. Look at the names....

Dr Lutz
Jef Bukantz

Maybe this is just my sick crime novel mind....

[eze]

I noticed that too. But as a current member of several USFA committees-that would be awesomely stupid of him to be personally running a lengthy smear campaign on a public message board.

I think you're wrong. Look at the names....

Dr Lutz
Jef Bukantz

Maybe this is just my sick crime novel mind....

[eze]

Never mind. I think you're on to something kiddo...

I think you're wrong. Look at the names....

Dr Lutz
Jef Bukantz

Maybe this is just my sick crime novel mind....

[dr.lutz]

I noticed that to. But as a current member of several USFA committees-that would be awesomely stupid of him to be personally running a lengthy smear campaign on a public message board.

A member of a committee is not prohibited from taking a stance against the administration.

A member of a committee is not prohibited from backing a recall.

A member of a committee is not prohibited from telling the truth about factual failures of the President.

As for your charges of a smear campaign, they are baseless unless I have slandered Nancy Anderson.

As for your concerns about who I am, you should be more concerned about the backward direction the USFA has gone under the failed leadership of the current President.

As far as being awesomely stupid, that would be a valid claim if I didn't have the guts to join the recall effort.

Have a nice day.

Dr. Lutz

[eze]

Thanks Jeff, you have a nice day too.

Have a nice day.

Dr. Lutz

[Feltan]

It is no secret who is involved.

It is no secret to Stacey or Steve, either.

It is no secret to the hundreds of people we've spoken to at the NACS, called on the phone, or sent emails to.

Hopefully, Craig will interview us as a response to Nancy's interview, and then the four names will be out. While those four took the initiative, there are many who were behind them long before the recall went public.

Dr. Lutz

The identity of Dr. Lutz?

The only way all this drama is going to be worthwhile is if Dr. Lutz turns out to be Nancy Anderson trying to get out of job she doesn't want.

Regards,
Feltan

[kalivor]

The Canadian Fencing Federation does online entries, and handled this past weekend's Junior World Cup in that manner.

It can be done.

DL

This doesn't make sense. I don't think anybody doubts the ability to take a person's money and add them to a list online. What's in question is insurance coverage and liability.

When it comes to these things, Canada and the United States are two different countries, with different laws and different courts. While I can't comment on legal differences, I can assure you that lawsuits in Canada are filed with less frequency and awards in Canada are much lower.

All this would make the risk to the CFF's insurance company much smaller, and online registration more viable.

[kalivor]

Several individuals have commented that since the recall was initiated, Nancy has made more public pronouncements; the VPs are more active; and this committees more productive. No one can deny that the evil fringe of plaintiffs campaigning for her removal has shaken her administration out of its complacency and forced some level of action.

IMO – too little, too late. Nancy is not capable of providing the basic level of leadership for the USFA.

Or, one could look at the timeline given to us by Dr. Lutz, and recognise that (a) The move towards a recall began six months into her term as President, and (b) That there was no transition meetings between the last administration and the current one.

While the second is arguably Nancy Anderson's fault -- we've been told that she was offered said meetings, but not told why she declined them -- it shouldn't be surprising, given these details, that her administration got to a slow start.

That it has been more active lately could have everything to do with her hitting her stride, and nothing to do with the recall campaign.

I would also like to point out that saying "look at how well she's starting to do her job" is hardly a good argument for a recall.

[dr.lutz]

I would also like to point out that saying "look at how well she's starting to do her job" is hardly a good argument for a recall.

I would also like to point out that saying "look at how well she's starting to
do her job" ...after nearly a year and half of NOT doing her job...is the best argument for the recall.

Give me a break. She's hasn't done anything that warrants saying,"look at how well she's starting to her job."

On the contrary, other than two defensive puff pieces to protect her political position, she has done nothing.

Come on already.

Dr. Lutz

[Sciurus-Rex]

Posed to a recall supporter, probably Lutz since he seems to have the inside track on the core movers in this process:

A simple question, really. A yes-or-no question. ... Assuming you can acquire the 10 percent of member sigs necessary to enact the recall clause of our bylaws, do you really expect that Sam should be allowed to succeed Nancy without a followup vote by our full membership?

And don't try to displace from the point at hand by offering a response like, "If someone wants Nancy to stay, she has the same right to blah blah blah ..." Just focus on your expectations for a moment: Sam. Put in prez's office without another election. Based solely on your 10 percent petition. Yes or no?

I raise this question because after all this public discourse on the issue, you'd have to be nuts to not recognize that the board MUST allow Nancy to stand in opposition. Enough people -- say, 10 percent at least, for argument's sake -- have expressed enough outrage at the proposal that the board can't afford to let you follow through without a full election. The rest of us would rip them to shreds for denying a basic democratic process.

Which leads us to the followup situation and question: Do you believe you can convince 51 percent of the full membership to make this worthwhile? Is your ego worth the price tag -- $15,000 for a mail election, the divisiveness engendered, the potential negative attention from USOC? Because that's what you're looking at now: 51 percent. You're not getting Sam without pushing this into a full election, and it's gonna be a majority vote instead of a fussy minority.

(Unless you're still holding hopes that you've made things so uncomfortable for Nancy that she'll bow out early. I can imagine some people believing that.)

Just curious. I'd love to hear how you expect this to play out.

[yeoldearmourer]

If headquaters is OFA Cathy is problem upset that her dauther didnt get and sign commerical for TV which is her job to get a agent not the USFA to market her.Dont you just hate non fencers tell fencers how to run the show. Granted she is a former rower in the 76 Oly.

[k9fav]

Originally posted by Ye Old Armourer

If headquaters is OFA . . .

the mailing address for the petitions is a PO Box in New Jersey