Petition to recall USFA President

[Sciurus-Rex]

A rough estimate would be more than $15,000 but less than $20,000.

Looks like someone beat me to it.
So this personal folly is going to cost us $16,000 or so. ... Unless, of course, we all roll over and let the lynch mob's personal favorite into office without a challenge.
Stupid.

[lovetofence]

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. I've gone through more re-organizations than I care to remember. From groups, to sections to whole companies. I can't remember a reorganization actually fixing the problems. J.

What Section re-organization did you go through? If you live in Alameda then maybe you are talking about the PCS? If so then maybe you’re not very privy to exactly what the problem was with the PCS before the current staff. This current staff has transformed this Section to the most elite Section I have ever been in and I have been in 6 different Sections in my fencing time on this earth. I have never seen such communication and planning with foresight in my life and I do re-organization of major companies for a living so I know what I'm talking about. If you do not believe me then check their website out. (And their website has -never- crashed).

What happened to the Pacific Coast Section needs to happen to the USFA. If Sam C. can fix the issues then more power to him. Maybe Sam can get help from some of the officers of the PCS...

[oiuyt]

What Section re-organization did you go through?

Without any information other than what's in JJefferies' post I'd say that he's talking about corporate sections (given the context of "groups, to sections to whole companies"). Not that it would have been any clearer to refer to it as a division, either.

-B

[heretic]

[QUOTE=Inquartata]Just wondering...how do you go about proving a negative like "she has no X"?


No, at worst she is second to last. I at least would be an even worse choice. I could name a lot of others I think would be worse, too, but I am sure about myself.

I go about "proving" a negative based on my direct experience, which I have written about extensively.

Additionally, I disagree with your second assertion. You could not be worse than Ms Anderson. You put in more effort posting on this website than she does running the USFA.

[Insipiens]

I go about "proving" a negative based on my direct experience, which I have written about extensively.

Additionally, I disagree with your second assertion. You could not be worse than Ms Anderson. You put in more effort posting on this website than she does running the USFA.

And if Inq continued to put more effort into posting on this website than running the USFA if you did put him in charge?? His willingness to post on this website doesn't really show whether or not he can do any of the things Ms Anderson is eleged not to be able to do any better than she can.

And please stick "[/quote]" at the end of a quote so we can see where your earlier quote finishes, even if you cut the thing down - same goes for "Dr Lutz".

[millsisland]

Be careful what you wish for...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olymp...handball_x.htm

[heretic]

Wow! "Insipiens," you should change your screen name to "Insipient", based on that response. You are very literal. I guess you cut class the day the taught irony.

Thanks for the suggestion on bracketing quotes.

FYI, the correct spelling for "eleged" is a-l-l-e-g-e-d.

[dr.lutz]

Be careful what you wish for...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olymp...handball_x.htm

Here is the quote from USA Today:

The U.S. Olympic Committee has begun proceedings to decertify the U.S. Team Handball Federation as the sport's governing body "due to a continued pattern of dysfunction" in how the organization is run, USOC spokesman Darryl Seibel said Sunday.

The USFA has not displayed a continued pattern of dysfunction in how it has been run, at least in the eyes of the USOC.

Our situation is an internal one, and not one that has anything to do with what US Team Handball is going through.

In fact, one former USFA President and longtime USOC officer/committee member has said just that. Furthermore, that person reiterated that the USOC is not looking to start taking over all sorts of NGBs, especially considering the USOC's current organizational upheavel.

On the contrary, it is likely that the USOC will view the recall as something that actually strengthens the USFA.

Dr. Lutz

[rac]

Be careful what you wish for...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olymp...handball_x.htm

I would not really worry about the USOC. I have just recently (last 2 years) been thru a re-org with USAT/USTU (USA Taekwondo) another NGB. The USOC actually came on and took over.

Results: They are making money, they are totally directed at the sport of TKD and producing national champions (which is the charter). They have just hired a new Director (equiv of USFA's president/ED).

It actually helped the sport. Mind you not everybody is happy as the "Art" of Taekwondo has suffered. But the USOC doesn't give a tinkers d*mn about "Art" just certifiable results.

RAC

[jjefferies]

What Section re-organization did you go through? If you live in Alameda then maybe you are talking about the PCS? If so then maybe you’re not very privy to exactly what the problem was with the PCS before the current staff. This current staff has transformed this Section to the most elite Section I have ever been in and I have been in 6 different Sections in my fencing time on this earth. I have never seen such communication and planning with foresight in my life and I do re-organization of major companies for a living so I know what I'm talking about. If you do not believe me then check their website out. (And their website has -never- crashed).

What happened to the Pacific Coast Section needs to happen to the USFA. If Sam C. can fix the issues then more power to him. Maybe Sam can get help from some of the officers of the PCS...

I'm talking about military, corporate reorganizations where I had to live with the results. And after 40+ years of BS I've yet to see a re-org do much more than stir the pot. What makes the difference is a change in individuals. As you say "This current staff" which implies that even in your example there was a change in staff. Revolution in and of itself rarely changes things for the better. The change in individuals after you guillotine the old guard may be an improvement. Or maybe not - think of the French revolution. What we need is a change in individuals and think in terms of making the MINIMUM necessary structural changes needed to correct the problems we are experiencing.
J.

[oiuyt]

Our situation is an internal one, and not one that has anything to do with what US Team Handball is going through.

The volleyball complaint was made even as the USOC is seeking, through a complaint filed Dec. 19, the decertification of USA Team Handball. At issue are governing and financial concerns linked both to U.S. handball's longtime futility on the playing field and to a revolt on the board sparked by the purported federation president, Mike Hurdle of Duluth, Ga.

The article was about the complaint recently filed by a bunch of beach volleyball players seeking for US Volleyball to be decertified. It mentioned the Team Handball situation as part of a subdiscussion of other NGBs.

Clearly we don't have problems with "longtime futility on the playing field." From the rest of the discussion it sounds like Team Handball had some really big issues with their president.

The Dec. 19 complaint refers to a Nov. 2 e-mail written by Hurdle in which he describes his secretary as a "blonde with a nice fake rack." He also says he would not be offering apologies to those with differing views about his management: "Hitler didn't apologize, so I guess I shouldn't either."

Hurdle did not respond Friday to requests seeking comment.

Don't know what the revolt on the board was, or what form it took.

Haven't had a chance to read them yet, but for those interested in more information about US Team Handball the USOC complaint and a response from the USATHB President can be found at:
http://condorhandball.com/download.php?view.3
Note that these are not short documents (the complaint is 80-something pages, the response is 43). Sounds like the problems started during the elections. Older information from the original election can be found on Hurdle's website. Haven't had a chance to do much more than skim titles there either.

-B

[eze]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the person who supposedly authored the "recall" is a national coach that was recently let go this summer.

Interesting.

Maybe he got the idea from his "Governator"

The author (listed in property tab of MS-Word) is Paul Soter.

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the person who supposedly authored the "recall" is a national coach that was recently let go this summer.

Interesting.

Maybe he got the idea from his "Governator"

Actually, he quit.

[veeco]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the person who supposedly authored the "recall" is a national coach that was recently let go this summer.

Actually, and I could be wrong about this, but I had heard he had actually resigned?

Of course, this could be a resignation as in "I'm expecting your resignation letter on my desk by 12 o'clock" kind of resignation, I am not privy to that kind of information.

In any case, I think he certainly is one of the persons behind that recall, since if you read all the comments on the thread you will see that he was in fact contacted about this and said he supported it.

[eze]

Thanks for the correction...any stated reasons besides his obvious disdain for the head office?

Actually, he quit.

[veeco]

things for the better. The change in individuals after you guillotine the old guard may be an improvement. Or maybe not - think of the French revolution. What we need is a change in individuals and think in terms of making the MINIMUM necessary structural changes needed to correct the problems we are experiencing.
J.

Actually, and not to deviate from the topic at hand here, but I'd like to know how you perceive the fact that people who were previously nothing more than slaves of the nobility becoming free and getting more rights is not an improvement.

Feel free to answer to me by PM...

[veeco]

What happened to the Pacific Coast Section needs to happen to the USFA. If Sam C. can fix the issues then more power to him. Maybe Sam can get help from some of the officers of the PCS...

Let's put FrankV into the presidents seat! I am sure he would love it :-)

[dr.lutz]

[QUOTE=veeco]Actually, and I could be wrong about this, but I had heard he had actually resigned?


In order to clarify the situation, there are many people behind the recall movement.

In addition to the one coach who resigned, there are four other National Coaches supporting the recall. They have not only signed the petition, but signed their names to the letter that recently went to Nancy asking for her resignation.

This letter will be post on the Save US Fencing website tonight or tomorrow:

http://www.geocities.com/save_usfencing/

In addition, that letter has been signed by many Olympians, past and present, Sectional Chairs, Divisional Chairs, members of current USFA Committees, and other coaches and parents.

The letter was sent only to Nancy and her Vice Presidents and Legal Counsel.
The objective was to get her to see that this wasn't just a movement of three or four "malcontents," but rather a broad cross-section of the organization.

She hasn't resigned and probably won't until she has all the necessary signed petitions in hand.

As it will be in the best interests of the organization, the Committee to Save US Fencing will afford Nancy that final courtesy (when the signatures are in hand) as a means to avoid having to go through the official machinations of the Election Committee.

In the meantime, the posting of this letter will allow the membership to see that there is a representative group behind the recall.

If anyone wants to either sign the petition or add their name to those who have already signed the letter to Nancy, please send an email to:
save_usfencing@yahoo.com


Dr. Lutz

[Sciurus-Rex]

It's my small hope that maybe possibly just a few members of the recall-initiating group are realizing by now, "Oh my gosh, maybe this idea doesn't have God's blessing like we so self-righteously assumed at the beginning... We were led to believe everyone would agree with us and fall in line without thinking too much. Could we have been wrong?"

Naaaaaaahhhhh....

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

Which national coach does NOT support the recall?