12-07-2005, 10:19 PM
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#1 | | Fencing Expert
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| NAC "C" Pittsburgh Results
Results for NAC "C" will be posted starting Monday. I fence on Saturday, and get back home Sunday. Please be patient. Thanks! | 
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12-07-2005, 10:57 PM
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#2 | | Senior Member
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| Thanks for the heads up.
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12-07-2005, 11:16 PM
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#3 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Much appreciated! I'll wait until Tuesday before I start carping.  | |
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12-07-2005, 11:51 PM
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#4 | | Senior Member
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| Obviously, some of us will be posting here. Below, it is a sample of what is to come: BREAKING NEWS ....
In the ICE BOWL, aka the Pittsburgh Convention center, Inq. showed up late at the NAC-C. Using endlessss arguments, he got himself into the competition ...... 
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12-08-2005, 01:40 AM
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#5 | | Senior Member
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| Sigh.
If only there was some way to make this state of the art ENIAC computer portable, (see attached pic) so that an enterprising lad could, say, copy information from the Bout Committee ENIAC mainframe, and then, somehow, moments later, develop and utilize an electronic infrastructure to distribute this information all around the world--instantaneously!!
Wouldn't that be something? 
Me...I'm thinking the personal airplanecar is much more likely to come first.
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12-08-2005, 03:01 AM
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#6 | | Senior Member
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| While I understand and appreciate the sarcasm, the problem is the inability to transfer the information from 'point' A to B, but the fact that the individual who is charged with formatting it and putting it up on the site is competing and none of us (should) have any problems with him competing rather than putting up results for us right this very instant. Good luck Dan, hit people often and stuff... | |
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12-08-2005, 03:58 AM
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#7 | | Senior Member
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| Thanks for the info Dan. Good idea getting the message out ahead of the anxious results-hungry public.
But umm....
Not to be a broken record or anything, but.... Quote: |
Originally Posted by keropie the individual who is charged with formatting it and putting it up on the site is competing and none of us (should) have any problems with him competing rather than putting up results for us right this very instant. | Is this the part where I point out that if the USFA did things the way certain other fencing websites do things, there would not be only one person in the world who can put results on the website, but rather a whole category of people, a half-dozen or so of whom (bout committee) would be on site, and could upload a file in a few minutes before heading back to the hotel each day... ?
Until now I assumed that this kind of thing was currently in development for the USFA, just over horizon, and we just had to be patient. But now, I'm less sure that online tournament management is actually happening.
Is it?
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12-08-2005, 08:48 AM
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#8 | | Senior Member
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| There is a very simple solution to solve this problem: Let more than one person have access to update the friggin' website!!!!!
Is that such a difficult thing to ask? | |
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12-08-2005, 09:23 AM
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#9 | | Senior Member
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| I can understand why Dan personally won't be able to put up the results, and I wish him the best of luck at the NAC... but perhaps a colleague could post the results in his absence.
I, too, thought we were going to get a professionally managed web site. This is kind of like hanging out the old "gone fishin' " sign.
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12-08-2005, 09:52 AM
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#10 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by dknj Results for NAC "C" will be posted starting Monday. I fence on Saturday, and get back home Sunday. Please be patient. Thanks! | 1) Thanks for the heads up
2) This is f%@$ unbelievable!
You still have no normal process in place!
When it happened during World Championship,
I was the first one to ask everybody to be patient...
But two months later we are in the same place and
looks like you are planning to maintain this habit forever.
What if you get sick/drunk/injured etc...
Why 24 THOUSAND members plus their friends and families
should depend on one person whereabouts?
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12-08-2005, 12:30 PM
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#11 | | Senior Member
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| Whoa there! Let's calm down and rethink things here. This harsh criticism towards the USFA website is inapropriate.
Chill out, because your next door neighbor doesn't know the difference between a foil and epee! Patience is a virtue. Mr. Kellner does post the results in a reasonable time period. I am excited as much as anyone to see how the NAC went too.
The number of fencers eager for these results are insignificant when compared to the demand for results and statistics off of ESPN's NFL webpage. As awesome as fencing is, it's highly unnecesary to grow gray hairs over these little delays seeing as how small we really are.
Let's not forget that the new webmaster of USFA website also is involved with: http://www.rdstr.com/
(Read the projects he has done)
Runs http://www.athleteinitiative.org/
#15 World Rank in foil http://www.fie.ch/Competitions/Ranki...5167B668F16B00
So... he could kick all of our butts!
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12-08-2005, 01:37 PM
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#12 | | Senior Member
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| You know.....I thought about this for an hour before I decided to reply.
Exactly what does being an elite fencer have to do with getting a website updated? I don't care of the guy is Genghis Khan, he has a job to do. I appreciate the fact that he is a world class fencer, and I wish him luck in his competative endeavors, but there is no reason why someone else can't update the website in his absence. The fact that he can "kick my butt" in fencing, or in anything else for that matter, is entirely irrelevant.
When I'm absent from my job for fencing, or any other reason, my job is still expected to get done. I'm expected to arrange for someone to cover my necessary duties.
I'm sure people will be mad that I've come out and said this, but I mean no disrespect to anyone. I just wonder where my dues are going sometimes... | |
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12-08-2005, 01:45 PM
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#13 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Epee Scherma Whoa there! Let's calm down and rethink things here. This harsh criticism towards the USFA website is inapropriate. | And why exacly is it inappropriate?
New website was suppose to be running in August
we are in Decebmer and even it is better than before
Normal structure of support is not there!
Uploading results should not be a function of a developer/root admin.
It should be a function of a USFA user.
And no plans to change that were announced... Quote: |
Originally Posted by Epee Scherma | Being #15 Fencer in the world and running ad campaigns
does not mean that he can successfully implement constantly
changeable fencing website, does it?
If a fencer need a heart surgery who do you prefer to do it
a) A brain surgeon who is #15 fencer in the world
b) A heart surgeon with heart surgery experience even he never fenced? Quote: |
Originally Posted by Epee Scherma So... he could kick all of our butts! | I won't argue with that 
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12-08-2005, 01:47 PM
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#14 | | Senior Member
Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mid-West USA
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| No need to wait, here is the first result from the Pittsburgh NAC:
It snowed a lot, it was cold, planes were delayed, the roads were terrible, and the events took forever to complete.
There. Dan, you are off the hook until Monday.
Regards,
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12-08-2005, 01:56 PM
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#15 | | Member
Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: West Coast
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| If the goal is to get results as soon as possible it is not necessary for the USFA to do it. The way it works is that as results come in - pool bouts, seeding, DE's, final standing and the like - the bout committee has one of the locals run it over to the wall and stick it up. The bout committe is more than willing to give a copy of everything they post to a member of the local organizing committee who is then free to whatever with it.
So clearly some helpful person in Pittsburg could simply type up the results and post them on Fencing Net. It is a basic "one hand washes the other" situation. We help you get info when we have a tournament and you help us get info when you have a tournament.
So it seems appropriate to contact a local in Pittsburgh and ask them to help out. There's lots of moms and dads and little bothers out there that wouldn't mind being helpful. | |
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12-08-2005, 02:03 PM
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#16 | | Senior Member
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| You do raise a valid point fencergal. However, I find other's reaction to the late updates overly critical. It's ridiculous to see fencers get bent out of shape over this little lag time. Fencing is sooooo small in the eyes of other Americans. We forget that, because we are so... engulfed in this fencing culture. So the reality of the matter is that... the website lag is insignificant.
Nobody cares about NAC results being posted public now or Monday or... ever, except a denomination of fencers within the USFA who read these results. With that in mind... is it apropriate to complain?
Oh and by the way, I do agree that if we do want to resolve this (what I consider "little") issue anyways, that a secondary person with access to the website is a great idea!
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12-08-2005, 02:10 PM
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#17 | | I am a man... A MEGA MAN!
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| The point is that we pay our membership fees and they have been steadily increasing. Keep in mind I have absolutely no problem with this, except for the appearance of my money not going anywhere productive. It just boils down to this, the USFA can raise the fees all they want...but for the love of God, at least make yourselves more organized and use the money in a way that noticeably improves fencing for everyone involved...even if it's something as small as results or getting a website updated.
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12-08-2005, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by misha And why exacly is it inappropriate?
New website was suppose to be running in August
we are in Decebmer and even it is better than before
Normal structure of support is not there!
Uploading results should not be a function of a developer/root admin.
It should be a function of a USFA user.
And no plans to change that were announced...
Being #15 Fencer in the world and running ad campaigns
does not mean that he can successfully implement constantly
changeable fencing website, does it?
If a fencer need a heart surgery who do you prefer to do it
a) A brain surgeon who is #15 fencer in the world
b) A heart surgeon with heart surgery experience even he never fenced?
I won't argue with that
. | Misha, I too see dissapointment as a reasonable feeling in regards to the finalization of the website, due back in August. In my humble opinion, I think that being #15 in the world means your training keeps you too busy to successfully update a website with constant frequency. Despite a little dissapointment, it's out of place to complain.
Then again, maybe my inhibitions to complain about the website like everyone else shows I am being an apathetic member who does not push USFA forward.
Oh I'd pick option A. because having heart surgery by a brain surgeon who is such a great fencer is worth risking my life if I can ask him a million questions about fencing  .
Whatever the case is, I think it's just awesome we have an elite fencer who posts on this board (even if he doesn't fence epee). 
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12-08-2005, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Epee Scherma Nobody cares about NAC results being posted public now or Monday or... ever, except a denomination of fencers within the USFA who read these results. With that in mind... is it apropriate to complain? | Considering that that denomination of fencers pays dues to the USFA, yes, I do think it's reasonable to complain about something that is SO EASY to do properly, not being done properly.
It's not necessarily just fencers who care about the results being posted promptly. When I travel to a NAC or Nationals, I have family and friends (non-fencers) who want to know how I did. It is a big thing for them to be able to check the web site on the day after an event and see my name in the results - they may not know much about fencing, but they get the "travel across the country to a big event" is cool, and they know that the higher my name is in the list, the better! :-)
I do think it's super-cool that all the pool results and DE tables are being posted now (or at least they were for the NAC-A). So we're seeing some progress even if things aren't going as efficiently as they should or could be. | |
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12-08-2005, 02:52 PM
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| Hi!
I appreciate that that we all want the results posted faster.
But I need to get a few things straight. I don't get paid for maintaining the website.
Secondly, I've asked for help from the national office. Unfortunately, they haven't been able to find anybody. I need someone with decent HTML experience, time to spare to do the work, time to learn a fairly simple CMS (Content Management System), and someone trustworthy who won't mess up the site.
Lastly, the XSeed program spits out results in CSV (Comma Separated Value) format. That's what I get from the USFA. Getting these files into HTML takes time, because there's a lot of excess info in them. A way to get these results up faster is improve the XSeed program (along with the fact that it can't handle repecharge properly), so that it can export HTML tables. I have no problem posting these CSVs here or on the USFA website while I'm re-formatting them in HTML.
Anybody want to stop complaining and start helping? I could definitely use it.
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