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Old 12-06-2005, 11:00 PM   #1
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Rapier Strength

Out of curiosity, how much weight could a good quality Rapier withstand? By weight I mean could a rapier withstand a blow from a broadsword
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I would suggest asking this question at a different forum (this being more fencing and less rapier fighting), perhaps swordforum international (www.swordforum.com)
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Back in the days when the SCA was just making the transition to schlager blades for their "rapier" fencing, I did a bout with an epee against a schlager-bladed rapier. At one point, I parried a blow. The epee blade bent about 75 degrees...about 12" from the guard. And it was a good, stiff epee blade, too.

I suspect that most rapier blades would have been similarly insufficient to the task of parrying a riding or sidesword, much less a true broadsword. But then, parrying is done differently with heavy swords like rapiers: not many blocking parries, many more ceding ones...
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Old 12-07-2005, 08:07 PM   #4
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There is some discussion of this over at SFI, you might also want to check http://www.salvatorfabris.com, as well.

One of the SFI links http://forums.swordforum.com/showthr...threadid=49949

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Yes it can withstand the blow of a broadsword. but this corespont and from the physical building of the two opnents and their strenght.
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I suspect that most rapier blades would have been similarly insufficient to the task of parrying a riding or sidesword, much less a true broadsword. But then, parrying is done differently with heavy swords like rapiers: not many blocking parries, many more ceding ones...
Like Tom Leoni showed, it can parry a longsword (and Tobler can really swing one as well). There's a lot of 'thrusting into the cut" to catch the contact on the forte and to make the contact before the sword before it reaches it's maximum force.

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