11-17-2005, 03:40 AM
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From what people are saying the maraging and non-maraging are about the same. They both last long and don't rust or tarnish. So is there any point in buying the more expensive blade?
Can one or both of the Leon Paul brothers explain? | 
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11-17-2005, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen | God dammit scrub. Why can't you let the pro answer the question? I want to buy his blade so that means I'm a customer and he needs to give me customer service.
I have been on this forum longer than you. I have another ID that is 2 year older than this one. I want updated answers to updated questions. They should make you manager of the archive section. | |
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11-17-2005, 07:13 AM
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| Woah, hold it there Lunge. You make a post in a PUBLIC FORUM and then get mad when someone responds? Get the broomstick out of your butt. If you wanted to get in touch with one of the Pauls specifically, why make a thread? Isn't that what the Private Message system is for? Oh, wait, you've only been on the forum for a few years... how could you possibly know about the PM system?
You asked a question and a forum member decided to try to be helpful and respond. Zilver obviously did some work looking up those threads. If forum members can't appreciate someone trying to help them out, then I don't know what this place has become.
oh, and by the way... *reports* | |
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11-17-2005, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ReverseLunge God dammit scrub. Why can't you let the pro answer the question? I want to buy his blade so that means I'm a customer and he needs to give me customer service.
I have been on this forum longer than you. I have another ID that is 2 year older than this one. I want updated answers to updated questions. They should make you manager of the archive section. | Yes, I'm sorry, I was just trying to be helpful. I promise never to try to be helpful to you again.
Exactly what does your joining date and number of user accounts have to do with your legitimy to be rude?
And you still might want to have a look at some of the threads posted, I doubt the composition of Maraging has changed that much since last year...
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11-17-2005, 08:49 AM
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| It's roasty toasty in here. This thread has been closed. There is a PM function that can be used to to contact specific people; failing that you can contact LP direct. They are normaly pretty good about getting back to you.
RL: Stop being rude!!
Everyone else; nothing to see here please move along. | |
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11-17-2005, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ReverseLunge From what people are saying the maraging and non-maraging are about the same. They both last long and don't rust or tarnish. So is there any point in buying the more expensive blade?
| I'll pop the thread back open.
RL - If you want an answer only from a specific person or persons, use the PM function or send them an email. If you want only Barry to answer your question, then it's best to contact Leon Paul in the UK via the contact information on the leonpaul.com site.
As to your question: The maraging LP epee blade does last longer (in testing cycles) than the non-maraging version. The maraging also meets the FIE specifications so that it is legal for use in FIE events.
That's the main reason why you would purchase the LP FIE epee blade over the LP standard epee blade.
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11-17-2005, 09:52 AM
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| Does it last twice as long? At 105 (about twice as much as the non FIE), is it a purchase of diminishing return?
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11-17-2005, 10:01 AM
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| Well I'd imagine that most of the people who buy the FIE blade do it because they want to compete in FIE events. I've only had the non-FIE blades and find that they last an amazingly long time - one of them has outlasted an FIE blade from a different manufacturer  | |
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11-17-2005, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! Does it last twice as long? At 105 (about twice as much as the non FIE), is it a purchase of diminishing return? | I haven't seen the test results, so I can't tell you that. Your milage may vary, certain restrictions apply, not valid in all states, check your local listings... | |
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11-17-2005, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! Does it last twice as long? At 105 (about twice as much as the non FIE), is it a purchase of diminishing return? | And there is the cost of the wire as well as the cost of getting it all assembled again, so I would definitely pay more than twice as much for a blade that would last twice as long. | |
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11-18-2005, 12:36 AM
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| In my experiance and from the people who I have talked to here and in the UK, the differance between the FIE and non-FIE blades are so small as to make it irrelevant for US fencers unless they plan to compete abroad. The FIE blades may last a bit longer, but if you have that money to spend, just buy two non-FIE blades and you will definetly come out ahead!
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11-18-2005, 10:26 AM
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| I like Cvilles logic, very intuative (sp?) RL do u plan to fence where an FIE blade is needed?
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11-18-2005, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by fencinman89 I like Cvilles logic, very intuative (sp?) RL do u plan to fence where an FIE blade is needed?
-Tre' | Its not that. For most brands the FIE version is a way better deal. FIE costs twice as much but lasts 5-10 times longer. The last non FIE epee I bought was an STM and it lasted 2 days. FIE is just a better value. Saves me money. Now if the FIE LP blade just lasts lets say 20 or 30% longer than the non FIE version then the non FIE version would be the better value. | |
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12-03-2005, 08:00 PM
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| I also heard that when you buy a prewired blade directly from LP they use somekind of epoxy to glue the wire and it doesn't desolve in acetone. That would suck if you just needed to reglue instead of rewire. | |
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12-03-2005, 11:23 PM
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| I have never had a problem with the LP glues on the rare occasion that one would pop out of the groove.
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12-04-2005, 12:17 AM
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| Piles of country require FIE level stuff, so there's the reason to buy FIE.
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12-13-2005, 03:10 PM
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| I use the non-FIE LPs. For me, they last two to three times longer than the BF blades I used to buy. They haven't outlasted my Lammet maraging blade, but that blade is so stiff, I rarely use it.
Longevity aside, I like the feel of LP blades which feel considerably different than other epee blades.
I did have one FIE LP blade, and it broke right at the tip threads after about four months of steady use. I might have enough material to cut new threads and salvage it.
So, my sample of one says that the LP FIE blades don't last any longer than the non FIE. Since I don't compete outside the US, it's not an issue. I'll stick with the cheaper ones.
Paolo
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12-13-2005, 03:21 PM
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| here is my response to an e-mail from reverse lunge.
Hi,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you I don't often look at my net mail best if you want to contact me e-mail Barry@leonpaul.com.
One of the reasons why our epee blades last so long is not so much the material but there unique design which for any radius of curvature (bend) the maximum stress is 2.5 times smaller. All blades eventually fail from small cracks which start at the edges. The rate of crack propagation is a function of the maximum stress so our design blades last longer whatever the material used.
As I hope you know one of the advantages of our F.I.E. blades is that they have the flexibility marked on them so you can always buy a similar stiffness blades as before.
So if you are not fencing in competitions which demand F.I.E. blades and you are happy to take the blades with a midrange stiffness you are best using the standard epee blades they we believe last 2 to 3 times longer than traditional blades while the margaing F.I.E. blades with there special surface finish and final heat treatment last 3 to 5 times longer than normal blades. As ever we are talking averages some fencers can break blades in months while other can make blades last for years. Regards Barry Paul. | |
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