The success of liberal social welfare programs

[esskreemr]

Check your pubes. Something is definitely ablaze somewhere on your body.

Well, as a productive member of society, it is my responsibility, not the governements to put out any fires that may be occurring on my body. That's the problem with these ingrates, you give them food, a roof over their head, clothing, and they start thinking that society owes them something more.

[Amadeus]

good lord, i leave for three days and there's already 20 million stupid things going on.




slim, you found a french article on crime. you then said that france also has welfare. then, you said that welfare therefore causes crime.

you're wrong. or, at least, this article doesn't prove that you're right. (because i actually agree with your opinion.)

[esskreemr]

Where will the undesirables GO?

That's not France's problem. The undesirables should have thought of that before they started infesting the country. France should just round them all up and deport them.

[Slim]

good lord, i leave for three days and there's already 20 million stupid things going on.




slim, you found a french article on crime. you then said that france also has welfare. then, you said that welfare therefore causes crime.

you're wrong. or, at least, this article doesn't prove that you're right. (because i actually agree with your opinion.)

Get a freaking grip on the shift key

[Slim]

That's not France's problem. The undesirables should have thought of that before they started infesting the country. France should just round them all up and deport them.

I believe he's actually snapped this time.

[Slim]

I guess I misunderstood when the title of your first post was "The success of liberal social welfare programs" . . .

A liberal social welfare program is not a system of government.

[esskreemr]

A liberal social welfare program is not a system of government.

Yeah, it's just another way for bleeding-heart, liberal, quasi-pinkos to hike up taxes and hand out freebies to a bunch of good-for-nothings who don't want to work for an honest living.

[L.O.A.S.]

A sign of things to come?
Here's one person's take on the situation in France.

"Its population is aging and retiring.

The new immigrants may provide an influx of young people, but what they need are EDUCATED, ENERGETIC and SKILLED young people. What they got instead are illiterate and sullen young thugs who collect welfare and riot if they feel disrespected.

There will come a point, probably soon, where the middle-class is no longer generating enough tax revenue to support the welfare state. Expect much more dramatic rioting then."

[Fencing Jesus]

Civil Disobedience is still Disobedience.

Besides, one frog hits another frog, Who cares?

[gojujay]

The article said this was the goverment not addressing the needs of low income people, the title of this thread should be "liberal social welfare programs don't do enough"

Therein lies the rub. Socialism can NEVER do enough! You cannot plan for EVERY contingency. It's the height of hubris to say you can plan for a majority of circumstances. That's why socialism is dying. And not quick enough in my book

[esskreemr]

A sign of things to come?
Here's one person's take on the situation in France.

"Its population is aging and retiring.

The new immigrants may provide an influx of young people, but what they need are EDUCATED, ENERGETIC and SKILLED young people. What they got instead are illiterate and sullen young thugs who collect welfare and riot if they feel disrespected.

There will come a point, probably soon, where the middle-class is no longer generating enough tax revenue to support the welfare state. Expect much more dramatic rioting then."

Yeah! I mean, can you believe the whole 'reason' that started these riots was that two of the scum were electrocuted while hiding from ID checks by the police? I say hold their gov check for a few months. Starve them out. Then send in the French troops to restore order. Shoot everything and anything that moves. The 'law abiding', if there is such a thing in that pit of welfare statism, citizens will stay home. There's probably some room left in Gitmo for these degenerates. Round them up, lock them up, throw away the key. Then they can get their 3 squares behind bars. By the time they see daylight, those infernal housing projects will hopefully have been bulldozed to the ground. They can return to what ever Godless country from which they came. The French people have enought to worry about with having to foot the bill for a bunch of Muslim welfare cases that are only pissed because they just didn't have enough to buy that Mercedes-Benz with the taxpayers' money that they recieve each month.

[L.O.A.S.]

Esss' ravings aside, what happens to a welfare state when it can't pay for itself?

[PeterGustafsson]

Hi!

eeskremer said it perfecly. immigrants are just lazy and trying to suck off the fat of smarter more succesfull people

Wow, there must be a lot of fat on you.


Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

[Tomas N]

Instead, this is a problem of France's failures in integrating their Middle East population into their society. The pretense is that once you're a French citizen, you're French and the same as all others (In Tahiti, elementary school textbooks have phrases like "Our French ancestors, the Gauls..."). Even French officials have commented on how Arab-Americans in communities like those in Detroit are much better integrated into US society than they've been able to accomplish.

Reminds me of Newark and Watts in 1968...

I agree with Jeff. While on the one hand the French poke fun at the United States for our socioeconomic differences correlated with race, on the other hand, they don't collect census information based on race. No data = no problems.

Tomas

[jeff]

Thanks Tomas., and you make a good point about their lack of census data.

Also, boys and girls, let's remember that a lot of these rioters are 2nd and 3rd generation residents of France because their parents came there from French colonial possessions. Not integrated into French society, they're not good at being French, and not good at being Moroccans or Algerians. Melting pot model in the US is a better model.

[Maeve_Mari]

I suggest that the nickname "dittoheads" be hensforth changed to "dittidiots"

I like that. Dittidiots. Suits 'em well.

[achilleus]

So funny reading all this.

I've seen it before, from the french point of view.

I was in France shortly after the Rodney King riots, and the French asked me so many different questions...

Their theories ranged just like the ones on this forum:

A sign of the horrible job the US does of taking care of it's citizens
Blacks just being black
Poor racial integration
etc...

Oh, and to those that think that welfare causes crime, what a ridiculous notion. Crime has existed since the beginning of time. The Bible has two people in the world, and one of them kills the other.

Sorry, but by getting rid of welfare, liberal social policies, etc..., you won't be getting rid of crime.

[Inquartata]

By some reports the rioting is being coordinated via cellphones and the internet.

My question: how are chronically unemployed and destitute young men getting cellphones and computers?

France sounds like a pretty nice place to be chronically unemployed and destitute to me.

I am feeling a little bit of schadenfreude. Perhaps the next time some French governmental official or journalist is tempted to lecture the US about its immigration policy, its treatment of minorities, its crude social programs, its violence, etc. they will think twice.

But I doubt it.

[jeff]

So funny reading all this.

I've seen it before, from the french point of view.

The sad thing is that both we and they are probably right when pointing out each others defects.

Schadenfreude isn't the most noble of emotions, but understandable in these circumstances, considering the lectures the French have been wont to deliver. I share Inq's reaction. Next time there's a lecture we'll have a quick rejoinder, I think.

[Amadeus]

Get a freaking grip on the shift key

i thought of a whole bunch of responses to this, but then i decided to ignore it.



then, instead, i decided to list them all


1. OKAY, I'VE GOT A GRIP ON IT. NOW WHAT?
2. my shift key is broken
3. my shift key has cancer, you heartless bastard
4. my comments are more intelligent than most of yours even without capitalization
5. if it was good enough for the romans, it's good enough for me



oh, and you still haven't responded to my correct evaluation of your incorrect logic.