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ReverseLunge · 10-29-2005, 07:35 AM

This actually happened. I was fencing foil the other night and my opponent did a double advance lunge into me from quite a distance away. I ran forward, jumped and did a somersault in the air over him and hit his back. Now do I get the point or not? The director threw it out. I hit the guy on the back before I was completely vertical.

keropie · 10-29-2005, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ReverseLunge

This actually happened. I was fencing foil the other night and my opponent did a double advance lunge into me from quite a distance away. I ran forward, jumped and did a somersault in the air over him and hit his back. Now do I get the point or not? The director threw it out. I hit the guy on the back before I was completely vertical.

I'd think if nothing else that mid somersault you had exposed not only your back, but the back of your head, resulting in a yellow card and an anullment of any touch scored by you.

ReverseLunge · 10-29-2005, 03:04 PM

My back was not facing my opponent.

penguin_2000 · 10-29-2005, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by keropie

I'd think if nothing else that mid somersault you had exposed not only your back, but the back of your head, resulting in a yellow card and an anullment of any touch scored by you.

if he did a 1/2 twist with the somersault, then his back may not have been exposed... however, it should still be a yellow card for an "abnormal fencing action."

ReverseLunge · 10-29-2005, 03:20 PM

Huh? Abnormal fencing action. Show me where in the rule book.

HDG · 10-29-2005, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ReverseLunge

Huh? Abnormal fencing action. Show me where in the rule book.

t.87; Penguin2000 got the wording wrong, but in the unlikely event that you were in the Matrix and did pull off something like this, it would either be a Group 1 yellow card for "disorderly fencing" or more likely, an immediate Group 2 red for a "dangerous action".

ReverseLunge · 10-29-2005, 03:40 PM

What about style points?

penguin_2000 · 10-29-2005, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ReverseLunge

Huh? Abnormal fencing action. Show me where in the rule book.

Check the penalty chart, group 1, near the bottom. It is left open (i.e. no articles cited), I assume to leave room for interpretation by the director... for stuff like somersaults, cartwheels, throwing sand in opponents eye... etc, that aren't specifically defined in the rulebook.

penguin_2000 · 10-29-2005, 03:46 PM

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What about style points?

Depends... was it a full tuck with your feet pointed?

HDG · 10-29-2005, 06:10 PM

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What about style points?

Mad style points.

downunder · 10-29-2005, 07:51 PM

t.87 All bouts must preserve the character of a courteous and frank encounter. All irregular actions (flèche attack which finishes with a collision jostling the opponent, disorderly fencing, irregular movements on the piste, hits achieved with violence, hits made while falling) are strictly forbidden (cf. t.114–t.120). Should such an offence occur, any hit scored by the fencer at fault is annulled.

ReverseLunge · 10-29-2005, 07:54 PM

You don't have to answer this but I'm curious to know what exactly are you down under?

Fencing Jesus · 10-29-2005, 07:55 PM

Are on-piste pelvic thrusts considered irregular movement?

Theres a guy @ my club who does this and pretended to hump his weapon after good touches. It is rude to me but he is real good and he never gets a card for it.

He said he learned this move from an australian.

KD5MDK · 10-29-2005, 11:25 PM

That would be disturbing order on strip, or possible unsportsmanlike conduct. However, it is not an abnormal fencing action, because it does not take place between the commands "Fence" and "Halt".

Bryn Ralph · 10-30-2005, 12:32 AM

Surely the person who posted this item is jesting?

ReverseLunge · 10-30-2005, 12:53 AM

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Surely the person who posted this item is jesting?

Why would I be joking? It's not a big deal. People just dont do it because they don't know how legal it is.

KD5MDK · 10-30-2005, 06:22 AM

Or you could more accurately represent the concensus of the thread and realize people don't do somersaults on strip because if you're lucky you'll get a yellow card, and I personally would jump straight to "dangerous action" and a red card.

Furry · 10-30-2005, 08:35 AM

I think the short version should be:

No you don't get the point for the action, however you get a sick amount of style points, and hopefully instill enough fear into your opponent that you can easily win the rest of the bout.

Seriously, I'd love to see action in real time.

penguin_2000 · 10-30-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Furry

I think the short version should be:

No you don't get the point for the action, however you get a sick amount of style points, and hopefully instill enough fear into your opponent that you can easily win the rest of the bout.

Seriously, I'd love to see action in real time.

I too would like to see this actually done (while hooked to the reels too!).

On another note, if you really want to intimidate your opponent, try setting off his point with the end of your foil...

annacattiva · 10-30-2005, 05:19 PM

I don't think he gets a yellow card- I'm imagining this flip to be him diving over his opponent, and hitting him on the back before landing on the ground, still facing his opponent but now upside down, and doing a somersault before returning victoriously to his feet. In this case, the touch occurs before the back is turned, although After the halt which would happen as soon as he passed over his opponent's head. So no yellow card, but no touch.