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OROD · 10-25-2005, 08:02 PM

You've got predictions... we want to hear them. Foil/Epee/Sabre, know yourselves out.

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oso97 · 10-25-2005, 10:03 PM

Well, with Wysocki being off in New York at a Liberty Cup, and Tomasz doing the referee/coach thing full time, Men's Sabre is wide open. Nonetheless, my bet is on Forbus. He REALLY wants his B, having now won about 4 tournaments that started out as B rated sabre events but dropped to a C, when either enough B's or C's failed to make the finals.

Men's Foil, I'll predict the Gold medal bout between Kubick or Castellani, with the one that has to take out Lo in the Semi's losing. Or perhaps Boxiner could finally have his "on" day and earn that A he's been chasing forever.

Men's Epee, its WIDE open. Final 8. Carpetner, Jens, Bibb, French, Hurme (Risto), Hurme (Edward), Reed, Sexon. Maybe a dark horse of Trapani, Kelly, Skopik, or Mittal could make the 8 too. I think we'd ALL love to see a continuation of the Carpenter/Reed grudge match for the gold...

Women's Sabre, without Dotson, its again, wide open. I'd have to say French, Walker or Goins, just cause they've got so much more tournament experience than the rest of the crowd, but don't count out one of the up and comings from North Texas... Burke, Youngblood, Tees, Schneider, Chow, Jeffus... There are some rivalries there among those girls that will make for some intense DE bouts.

Women's Foil, Gresham-Fiegel over Parker in the gold, with Gresham-Fiegel earning her B.

Women's Epee, top 4 with one of the French twins, Howell, Scarborough and Williams.
Any of them could take the gold. Bassa would be another solid bet, but apparently she has better things to do than to fence the best women in the Section that weekend...

Hrmmm... is it really proper for me to be making these predictions, given that I'll probably referee at least one of the gold medal matches ... ?

KD5MDK · 10-26-2005, 02:55 AM

I wondered that about myself.

I predict Forbus-Olive in the MS final, and who wins depends on who is having an on day.

JEC · 10-27-2005, 11:53 AM

Men's Epee
(as of today: 86 Fencers: 18A's, 12B's, 13C's, 8D's, 14E's, 21U's could be A4 tournament)

1. Reed, Robert SP A2005
2. Carpenter, Jim GBFC A2005
3. French, Peter TFA A2005
4. Kelly, Brent GBFC A2005
5. Hurme, Risto ATAC A2005
6. Trapani, Daniel ALL A2005
7. Stephan, Jens GBFC A2005
8. Hurme, Edward ATAC A2004

Sciurus-Rex · 10-27-2005, 03:57 PM

I predict 25 percent of those preregistered won't even show up, and that the remaining 75 percent will face DE bouts that run past 11 p.m.

oso97 · 10-27-2005, 04:26 PM

Dude, when was the last time you attended an SSCC event? They are well run, well organized events, that run on time, and with minimum fuss, competent BC people and good referees. I daresay that the Longhorn will be just as well run as any similar event, and better than most.

Sciurus-Rex · 10-27-2005, 04:39 PM

Most SSCC events? Yes.
Longhorn specifically? No.

KD5MDK · 10-27-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sciurus-Rex

I predict 25 percent of those preregistered won't even show up, and that the remaining 75 percent will face DE bouts that run past 11 p.m.

A 20% no-show rate isn't unheard of, we'll see how it compares. However, what are you willing to wager on the latter point?

Sciurus-Rex · 10-27-2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by oso97

Hrmmm... is it really proper for me to be making these predictions, given that I'll probably referee at least one of the gold medal matches ... ?

No. No, it's not.
And yet even though you recognize the potential of even a semblance of ethical conflict, you do it anyway. Way t'go, man.

KD5MDK · 10-27-2005, 07:43 PM

I've found his problem

http://www.fencing.net/forums/307420-11-post.html

teamusaepee · 10-27-2005, 10:18 PM

Reed makes the final in men's epee with Carpenter, Stephan, or Parker. French, Risto Hurme, Janca, and Osborne rounding out the 8.

Men's foil final: Lo and Steve Kubik with Castellani and Boksiner sharing third.

Men's sabre: Olive beats Forbus in the final. Sexton and Alex Shaw sharing third.

Women's epee: I plan on winning it.

Women's foil: Why isn't Bazarbayeva fencing this? I'd have put her in the top 4. I agree with oso, Gresham-Fiegel wins but I pick Evanyk for second. Brown and Parker share third.

Women's sabre: French beats Walker in the final. Wide open for thirds.

epeeinacup666 · 10-27-2005, 10:39 PM

very 'ballsy',teamusaepee....I like that...Good luck in Austin!

oso97 · 10-27-2005, 11:43 PM

Actually, I have it on good authority that there are a couple of "dark horses" lurking around in Men's Sabre... Scan the entries and focus on the U's for one. And another hasn't registered yet. Its going to be a good event. I think Forbus is capable of winning it all, it depends though on if he's having an "on" day. God knows he's been chasing that B long enough...

Oh and SC-Rex, ask any of the competitors in the Southwest, and they'll all tell you that I'm one of the fairest, most evenhanded, completely unbiased referees that you can find in the region when I'm acting in that capacity. Off-strip I may be an an opinonated son of a goat, but as a referee, I will get asked to referee even when I've got a potential conflict of interest. Asked by the person who would be on the losing end of that conflict of interest and their coach more often than not. When Reed and Carpenter went up for their grueling tie-breaker match at the end of last season, who do you think Reed wanted to referee it? Despite the fact that Jim and I had worked together at the same club for some time and I'd at one time blackcarded Reed for disturbing order on strip?

And teamusaepee, you're right, Bazarbayeva should be fencing. Along with a number of others. I wonder why a lot of the younger girls from Houston aren't fencing. There's some heavy names missing from both the epee and foil registrations.

Sciurus-Rex · 10-27-2005, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

I've found his problem

(heh) YOU're problem, on the other hand, doesn't require poking around through the archives to discover...

oso97 · 10-27-2005, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sciurus-Rex

(heh) YOU're problem, on the other hand, doesn't require poking around through the archives to discover...

Huh?

Well, other than the fact that he's a teasip, he's a pretty nice fellow

. Of course, being a teasip can be awfully hard to overcome.

teamusaepee · 10-28-2005, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by epeeinacup666

very 'ballsy',teamusaepee....I like that...Good luck in Austin!

Haha, thanks, good luck to you too.

KD5MDK · 10-28-2005, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by oso97

Actually, I have it on good authority that there are a couple of "dark horses" lurking around in Men's Sabre... Scan the entries and focus on the U's for one. And another hasn't registered yet. Its going to be a good event. I think Forbus is capable of winning it all, it depends though on if he's having an "on" day. God knows he's been chasing that B long enough...

Thanks for the warning. If you please, several of the Us are CEFC, and if you'll pardon me, SabreCave didn't make it look like they were top 4 level people from your club quite yet. Clifford Chao should have at least an E, he gave me a very good bout at SabreCave. I wouldn't call him a dark horse though. However, Jason Ray has the possibility to cause a lot of trouble in his pool and DEs. He'd probably beat me, for sure. Good thing we have the same affiliation. Also, there is a slavic name I don't recognize from before. Is this the next Tomasz?

fencerX · 10-28-2005, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by oso97

Oh and SC-Rex, ask any of the competitors in the Southwest, and they'll all tell you that I'm one of the fairest, most evenhanded, completely unbiased referees that you can find in the region when I'm acting in that capacity.

From the Handbook For Referees on the FOC site:

GENERAL RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE REFEREE

As a referee, you are a referee all day long and even between tournaments. You can issue warnings and penalties during a bout. You cannot tell a fencer "what you think of her/him" after the bout, after the tournament, or even over coffee the following week. To do so destroys your credibility and objectivity.

Frankly, a referee making public comments like "I think we'd ALL love to see a continuation of the Carpenter/Reed grudge match for the gold..." isn't doing their image of objectivity any good.

Sciurus-Rex · 10-28-2005, 08:11 AM

Yep.

Just imagine the final bout, or the semi leading into the final. Double touch situation (or passing action or floor touch in epee) ... Ref has to call it one way or the other ...
And some guy mentions from the sidelines, "Heeeey, didn't he say he expected to see So-and-So win this thing?"

It's not just a matter of whether Oso is truly fair and impartial -- it's a matter of APPEARANCE of impropriety. He's a smart guy; he should know that already, all excuses aside

Heck, Oso raised the issue himself in his initial post.

oso97 · 10-28-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

Thanks for the warning. If you please, several of the Us are CEFC, and if you'll pardon me, SabreCave didn't make it look like they were top 4 level people from your club quite yet. Clifford Chao should have at least an E, he gave me a very good bout at SabreCave. I wouldn't call him a dark horse though. However, Jason Ray has the possibility to cause a lot of trouble in his pool and DEs. He'd probably beat me, for sure. Good thing we have the same affiliation. Also, there is a slavic name I don't recognize from before. Is this the next Tomasz?

*chuckle* no, my guys certainly aren't in the "dark horse" category now, and won't be for quite some time!

But you're getting warm with the slavic name. And also, Oliver Diaz is planning to compete as well...