10-23-2005, 10:49 PM
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| most profitable fencing club
What is the most profitable fencing club in the US and why?
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10-23-2005, 11:55 PM
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| How would you possibly be able to answer this? Not like it's publically available information, not to mention that there's a fairly good spread in how clubs could reasonably account for profit so you likely would have trouble with apples vs. apples comparisons even if you did have data.
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10-24-2005, 12:58 AM
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| Not only that, most of the fencing clubs I know of are non-profit organizations (for legal and tax reasons). Not all, but most.
Now, if the question had been asked "Which fencing clubs generate the highest revenues?" Then you can estimate this from the number of fencers times the annual dues. But then, you have no idea of the costs involved... | |
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10-24-2005, 01:00 AM
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| I think being the most profitable fencing club is like the world's tallest midget.
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10-24-2005, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Larrison Not only that, most of the fencing clubs I know of are non-profit organizations (for legal and tax reasons). Not all, but most. | Can they do this and still support the coach(es)/director of the club? I would assume that the people running the clubs aren't doing it as charity work.
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10-24-2005, 01:50 AM
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| Weedhopper always asks the stupid useless question and makes the most obvious statements that he thinks are profound.
Hey Weedhopper can you tell us which is the most profitable Karate dojo in Japan and can you give us the numbers? | |
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10-24-2005, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Grasshopper What is the most profitable fencing club in the US and why? | Grasshoper,
This is a very good question for those people who are running or who would
like to run a Salle at some point in the future. I am not sure who is the
most profitable Salle but one example comes to mind.
Please look at the "American Fencing" magazine, Summer of 2005 edition.
In this edition of the "American Fencing" magazine (page 18)
there is an article called "Club TIPS - Serious Business - Running a
Successful Fencing School" by Meghan Gardner. This article which is
the first in a series of articles to be published, talks about running
a successful fencing school from the perspective of one of the founders
of a Salle called "Guard Up Inc." . According to the article their 2005
revenue should hit $450,000 . I think this article and the follow up
articles may answer some of your questions.
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10-24-2005, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by striker Grasshoper,
"Club TIPS - Serious Business - Running a
Successful Fencing School" by Meghan Gardner. This article which is
the first in a series of articles to be published, talks about running
a successful fencing school from the perspective of one of the founders
of a Salle called "Guard Up Inc." . According to the article their 2005
revenue should hit $450,000 . | That place has nothing to do with real fencing. http://www.guardup.com/saphron/sportsword.html | |
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10-24-2005, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by striker Grasshoper,
This is a very good question for those people who are running or who would
like to run a Salle at some point in the future. I am not sure who is the
most profitable Salle but one example comes to mind.
Please look at the "American Fencing" magazine, Summer of 2005 edition.
In this edition of the "American Fencing" magazine (page 18)
there is an article called "Club TIPS - Serious Business - Running a
Successful Fencing School" by Meghan Gardner. This article which is
the first in a series of articles to be published, talks about running
a successful fencing school from the perspective of one of the founders
of a Salle called "Guard Up Inc." . According to the article their 2005
revenue should hit $450,000 . I think this article and the follow up
articles may answer some of your questions. | Thanks for that Striker. Will check out the article. As fencing grows in popularity (as it is in the US and Japan), it should be able to outgrow the "non-profit" club status. Tennis clubs, golf clubs, martial art clubs are making tons of money. Why not fencing?
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10-24-2005, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ReverseLunge | http://www.guardup.com/saphron/youthclasses.html
Fencing is one of the subjects taught there.
"I then decided to begin offering yet another class- foil fencing. Thanks to
some assistance from the USFA office I was able to locate a qualified
instructor .......".
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10-24-2005, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Grasshopper Thanks for that Striker. Will check out the article. As fencing grows in popularity (as it is in the US and Japan), it should be able to outgrow the "non-profit" club status. Tennis clubs, golf clubs, martial art clubs are making tons of money. Why not fencing? |
This is exactly the point of this article. One more quote from the article:
" If USA and Canada can support approximately 24,000 martial arts schools, it can certainly handle a few thousand more fencing schools." .
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10-24-2005, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by el chucko Can they do this and still support the coach(es)/director of the club? I would assume that the people running the clubs aren't doing it as charity work. | There's nothing that says employees of a non-profit cannot be paid for their work. You'll note the USFA has several paid staff, and I won't even begin to imagine how many people are on the American Red Cross payroll. Finally, the coach may take their lesson fees as personal payments to a sole propriatorship or something as their income, and reserve club dues for facilities and equipment. | |
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10-24-2005, 10:32 AM
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| NYAC
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10-24-2005, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! NYAC
(words) | The NYAC is a LOT of things in addition to a fencing club. What profits are you attributing to the fencing portion of it that make you think that it would be tops?
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10-24-2005, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt The NYAC is a LOT of things in addition to a fencing club. What profits are you attributing to the fencing portion of it that make you think that it would be tops?
-B | The other things besides fencing 
I'd imagine that the top clubs would be the FC, salle mauro, LAIFC, FAP, Prise de fer, Alliance fencing academy and Nellya fencers.
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10-24-2005, 12:15 PM
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| Would have to believe VAF in NOVA is near the top. | |
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10-24-2005, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! The other things besides fencing
I'd imagine that the top clubs would be the FC, salle mauro, LAIFC, FAP, Prise de fer, Alliance fencing academy and Nellya fencers. | Nellya, who've they trained? 
(Just to clarify, that was sarcasm)
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10-24-2005, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by striker http://www.guardup.com/saphron/youthclasses.html
Fencing is one of the subjects taught there.
"I then decided to begin offering yet another class- foil fencing. Thanks to
some assistance from the USFA office I was able to locate a qualified
instructor .......". | speaking as somebody from the same area as guard up, it should be noted that they are NOT a competitive club. if you look at results from the New England division ( http://www.neusfa.org ) you will see that there are no results attributed to members of that "club". now, understand, please, that I'm not saying "no results" but meaning bad results. I mean NO RESULTS. Not one. No competitive members.
btw, does anybody know who that instructor is? I have no idea who coaches at Guard Up, and I live two towns over. their website doesn't say who (if anybody) coaches there. when's the last time you saw a reputable club which didn't put a coach's bio on their website?
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10-24-2005, 12:37 PM
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| The most profitable club in America is these folks. Matthew 16:26 - For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
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10-24-2005, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Fencing Jesus | After following this link, I think it's pretty funny that a featured member of Christian Fencers is named Princess Rashid.
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