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Miep · 08-01-2002, 02:45 PM

Does anyone know if the format this season is going to revert to a one day competition? The HPC report seem to suggest this, but I haven't heard anything official.

scarlet_woman156k · 08-02-2002, 10:04 AM

I'm almost positive that once something is confirmed, we'll all know about it pretty quick.

Especially if A/B-rated (proposed change) or A/B/C-rated (rumored) will only be allowed. Should be interesting what is confirmed on that one.

Peach · 08-02-2002, 11:16 AM

An updated version of the 2002-2003 schedule has been posted and on the page for the first Div I NAC (Columbus) there is a box which says:

"Fencers must have a "C" classification or better to be eligible to enter a Division I competition."

Inquartata · 08-02-2002, 08:17 PM

And if that's the case, there will almost certainly be too few entries to Div I NAC's to justify spreading them over two days.

The Columbus NAC is slated for three days, of course, but that's for all six events, plus Veterans...

oiuyt · 08-04-2002, 04:55 PM

The primary reason for the changes to the Div I format was to allow it to get back to a 1 day format. The 2-day format was judged to be too cludgey for practical use. For one thing nearly every competitor needed to book flights and hotels allowing for the possibility of competing both days. Most of those people only fenced on the first day however. Running the events also had noticibly higher overhead with a 2 day format.

The events will be 1-day formats this season.
-B

Peach · 08-04-2002, 05:30 PM

Thank heavens. Wonder what the format is going to be. Back to pools/DEs, or something similar to what we were doing before? And will there be byes into the later rounds?

edew · 08-04-2002, 06:58 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Peach:
Thank heavens. Wonder what the format is going to be. Back to pools/DEs, or something similar to what we were doing before? And will there be byes into the later rounds?<hr /></blockquote>The format is described in the HPC item in the minutes. Two pools, 60% up each time (with appropriate round-up to get 6x fencers into the second pool). Then DE (no repechage) to 32, then DE with repechage to a final of 8.

Peach · 08-04-2002, 07:18 PM

Yeah, that was the proposal, but the original HPC proposal was modified in the matter of classifications for Div I, so was this new format okayed?

Inquartata · 08-05-2002, 09:01 PM

They don't seem any too inclined to apply the logic of streamlining and accomodating flights to tournaments as a whole, though. They have still managed to schedule the first Div II/III NAC with everyone except the women's sabre fencers having to take a day off in between events. Boy, would I like to be able to go to a tournament that was on the actual weekend, instead of Saturday-Monday, or Friday-Sunday, or as in the case of Nationals Tuesday-Friday-Sunday...

Does anyone know why they refuse as a matter of course to schedule the various events of a particular weapon consecutively, or even semi-consecutively? Does the USFA get kickbacks from the airlines and hotel chains for drawing out people's stays or what?

edew · 08-06-2002, 12:05 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Inquartata:
They don't seem any too inclined to apply the logic of streamlining and accomodating flights to tournaments as a whole, though. They have still managed to schedule the first Div II/III NAC with everyone except the women's sabre fencers having to take a day off in between events. Boy, would I like to be able to go to a tournament that was on the actual weekend, instead of Saturday-Monday, or Friday-Sunday, or as in the case of Nationals Tuesday-Friday-Sunday...

Does anyone know why they refuse as a matter of course to schedule the various events of a particular weapon consecutively, or even semi-consecutively? Does the USFA get kickbacks from the airlines and hotel chains for drawing out people's stays or what?<hr /></blockquote>I think, for each fencer who wants to go consecutive, you have a fencer who would rather have a rest day in between. I'm more of the latter, for example.

veeco · 08-06-2002, 08:10 AM

Yeah and Inq, you're being a little self-centric here, I do believe that they have at least 2 weapons out of 3 in which the DivII event is followed by the DivIII the next day... Of course, and unfortunately for you one of them is not sabre... But next competition it might be one of them!

darius · 08-06-2002, 09:34 AM

Back to the Div I NAC question -- I know the board modified the HPC's original request for B-and-higher to C-and-higher.

Did the exemptions for points lists stand? I know several people who are high on the Jr/Cdt points lists, but don't have Cs. Will they still be allowed to go?

darius

Inquartata · 08-06-2002, 08:01 PM

Here is the tentative schedule for the Orlando Div II/III:

<a href="http://www.usfencing.org/Schedules/Tournament.asp?Code=2003NACA&JustDaily=TRUE" target="_blank">http://www.usfencing.org/Schedules/Tournament.asp?Code=2003NACA&JustDaily=TRUE</a>

I see ME Sunday-Monday, MF Friday-Saturday, MS Saturday-Monday,WE Friday-Sunday, WF Saturday-Monday, and only WS Saturday-Sunday. Three out of six are indeed on successive days, but still running into the work week, meaning you have to take at least one day off of work. I don't recall any of the NAC's I went to last year in which MS was "lucky" enough to be on the weekend only, but It's possible that my memory is being selective...

Eric, of course you prefer a day of rest in between, you fence foil---foilists are not in the same kind of superb physical condition as we sabre fencers!

JEC · 08-06-2002, 09:42 PM

Inquartata,
The real reason why MS has to be spread along the tournament is for the other fencers' ears to rest !!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

mfp · 08-06-2002, 11:14 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Inquartata:
Three out of six are indeed on successive days, but still running into the work week, meaning you have to take at least one day off of work. <hr /></blockquote>Monday, October the 14th is a holiday.

[Well, ok ... usually only if you work for the post office, the government or a bank]

Inquartata · 08-06-2002, 11:53 PM

For some, perhaps... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

Fencing Mom · 08-07-2002, 04:12 AM

Hi,
Concerning finding out your referee's rating - there is a list of referees and their ratings buried in the FOC webpage, although I don't know how up to date it is. You can find the webpage by going into "committees" on the USFA webpage. The site says it is under construction and it certainly is, you have to dig around to find things, but it has some interesting information in the site.

Fencing Mom · 08-07-2002, 04:25 AM

Oops - I posted this info under the wrong question - this was meant to be posted under a different discussion.

Miep · 08-07-2002, 08:29 AM

Thanks, Oiuyt. That's exactly what I wanted to know. Many people (including me) are really looking forward to the return of the one day NAC.