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View Poll Results: What cross-training do you do to supplement your fencing? | |
Sprinting
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Cross-country
|    | 5 | 7.04% | |
Weights
|    | 26 | 36.62% | |
Yoga
|    | 3 | 4.23% | |
Jump-rope (some people do it...)
|    | 2 | 2.82% | |
Swimming
|    | 0 | 0% | |
Cycling
| | 9 | 12.68% | |
Other
| | 12 | 16.90% | |
None
| | 5 | 7.04% | 
10-13-2005, 08:02 PM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Cross-training
What kind of cross training do you do, if any, to supplement your fencing? Do you have any specific preferences to what you do? | 
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10-13-2005, 08:08 PM
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| Running -- including interval training (sprint/jog/sprint/jog etc.)
Weight training -- light weight, but for added lower body strength (lunging)
Tennis -- when I can find a partner...
My worst problem is finding time for this -- and sleep as well. | |
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10-13-2005, 08:43 PM
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| We can't pick more than one option... This poll is flawed...
Anyway... I've been just jogging long distances last year to help with endurance. But I've got new plans this year... probably going to combine sprinting and jogging... also gonna do some weight training over the weekend or something.
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10-13-2005, 10:04 PM
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| ALL training makes me cross.
I also do more than one of the activities on the list...
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10-13-2005, 11:08 PM
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| Weights, biking, rope skipping like a maniac. Just for fitness though, and only to a limited extent. You dont want to get too good at it, neurologically, because that makes it easier. Cross training is supposed to be hard, so then you dont spend more time crossing than actually fencing.
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10-14-2005, 02:57 AM
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| Weights, Wrestling, and Ju Jitzu.
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10-14-2005, 02:59 AM
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| Meh, I used to do some jump roping, but I haven't done it in awhile. perhaps I should get back to it, I nee to be lighter on my feet...
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10-14-2005, 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Li'l Bebe What kind of cross training do you do, if any, to supplement your fencing? Do you have any specific preferences to what you do? | Running is the ...'best est'... 
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10-14-2005, 10:51 AM
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| I do the Crossfit workout of the day 3-5 times per week. | |
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10-14-2005, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by VELISARIOS Running is the ...'best est'... | Nooooooo. Running develops your muscles into type I muscle fibers, which are mostly slow twitch, high endurance. Sprinting is much better.
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10-14-2005, 12:49 PM
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| Your percentage of type 1 and type 11 muscle fibres is pretty much predertimed at birth. You can make small changes in some of the transitional fibres. Infatc a lot of the new studies are finding a whole plethora of fibre types.
Spinting develops your anaeobic energy systems which are those used in fencing. So yes sprinting is more applicable if done in the form of interval training. The occassioal 5k or 10k can help with aerobic recovery but I would avoid excessive running because it increase your risk of hip and knee injuries. | |
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10-14-2005, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rudd Your percentage of type 1 and type 11 muscle fibres is pretty much predertimed at birth. You can make small changes in some of the transitional fibres. Infatc a lot of the new studies are finding a whole plethora of fibre types.
Spinting develops your anaeobic energy systems which are those used in fencing. So yes sprinting is more applicable if done in the form of interval training. The occassioal 5k or 10k can help with aerobic recovery but I would avoid excessive running because it increase your risk of hip and knee injuries. |
I disagree about only making small changes. Look at marathon runners, they have vertical jumps of only a few inches. Look at power lifters, alot of them can't run for crap, but have impressive vertical jumps. The human body is elastic, it adapts extremely well to how its used.
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10-14-2005, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! I disagree about only making small changes. Look at marathon runners, they have vertical jumps of only a few inches. Look at power lifters, alot of them can't run for crap, but have impressive vertical jumps. The human body is elastic, it adapts extremely well to how its used. | Ah, but that is flawed logic. People who compete in a certain field of activity usually do so because their body type is more well suited to that event. Who's to say that the marathon runners are marathon runners BECAUSE their body type wouldn't let them be competitive power lifters, etc. Good ideas, but bad logic.
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10-14-2005, 08:07 PM
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| I'm not allowed to run- I dance, mostly, and do corework/pushups/biking. Not so much biking, because my bike is a heinous wench.
Running can indeed ruin you knees- my best friend ran too much and for a long time couldn't even walk downhill.
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10-28-2005, 06:17 AM
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| You need to do more than one of these options.
I weight train to develop strength and explosive power, and I used to cycle and swim to improve endurance.
However, fencing is almost exclusively an anaerobic sport, so the standard aerobic stuff doesn't make much difference. You might want to look into circuits, intervals and explosive weight lifting to develop power and anaerobic capacity.
Try www.crossfit.com .
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10-28-2005, 02:35 PM
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| I do weights to improve my overall strength. I also have recently started working on a stair climber machine as an aerobic workout to try to improve my stamina. Not being a young punk like DFP I have to pace myself more! 
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10-28-2005, 09:06 PM
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| Are sex and drinking considered cross training?
If it is then I cross train if not I guess I don't do much.
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10-28-2005, 11:23 PM
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| Running or walking, for basic fitness.
Weight for strength, I guess. But I don't know much about weight training.
Personally, I strongly urge the right kind of pre-fencing prep.
Depending on how young you are: (1) joint rotation and flexibility exercises -- no stretching yet; (2) running, treadmill, cycling, or skipping for warm up and body heat; and (3) when you are nice and flexible and warm, THEN stretch.
Build stretching exercises based on what you have to do when you fence. Stretch back, diagonal torso, arm and leg extension, lunge-type stretching, etc. All of it long, soft, low and slow.
Watching fencers in our club "warm up" gives me heart failure.
Bounce stretching, cold stretching, short prep sessions ... these may work for young fencers (but it would probably be better if they just came into the club and fenced).
Later, when they are older (20's and 30's) they still won't know how to prepare and they will get hurt. Some will ruin their fencing careers.
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10-28-2005, 11:26 PM
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| Cross training is an excellent idea.
Get your self in shape for the real thing
Be very careful that you don't get splinters, and try to pick a nice smooth one.
Don't neglect the side bar, and if at all possible try to find on with a little block of wood for a foot stand, otherwise it's murder on your arms.
Best of luck
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10-29-2005, 01:07 AM
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| Crosstraining
I've only just begun to fence again after a hiatus of almost two years, and I can only fence once a week (for now), so if I didn't cross-train I wouldn't be able to move at all when I hit the strip.
Three times a week I do my stretches, then light weight for upper body strength, some other exercises for core and leg strength; followed by 30-40 minutes on Mr. Treadmill (right up there with watching paint dry for excitement), take a break, then finish up with 10 minutes footwork and 20 minutes blade work on my touchpad for technique and hand/wrist strength.
Besides the endurance issue, I'm carrying around an additional 20 lbs I don't need. I want it gone. Now.
In time though...push too hard and I'll hurt myself and be back to square one. | |
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