Olympic Fencers on these boards

**soos** · 08-05-2002 10:36 AM

i guess it depends on ur nationality, aussies could be olympic fencers just surfing or computing the whole day hhahaha ......

[ 08-05-2002, 02:36 PM: Message edited by: soos ]

**Zelda** · 08-05-2002 10:43 AM

Soos I'm offended at that... I dont know why but I am!

**soos** · 08-05-2002 11:14 AM

hehe, u can, but thats a fact .... just a fact

**veeco** · 08-05-2002 12:02 PM

Actually I had fenced a couple of australians before, and I just fenced one at the men's epee national training camp this weekend. I thought he was pretty good. He was by no mean an olympic fencer, but he did give some of the top US fencers there a run for their money when we were practising team bouts.

And he wasn't the least bit as arrogant as some olympic fencers that I know of.

[ 08-05-2002, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: veeco ]

**Zelda** · 08-05-2002 12:35 PM

Veeco, that wasnt Zac Casagrande was it? Darling boy owes me an email if it was.

**damianip** · 08-05-2002 12:52 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lochinvar:
<Snip!!!>

Jon's seemed to hold the conviction that no "real" fencing happened or had ever happened west of the Hudson River, and that nobody not high in the Senior national point standings was worthy of even common civility. It pissed a lot of people off, myself included, and I frankly think the board is a much calmer, more reasonable, and much more helpful place without him.

<Snip!!!!>

It was this sort of indifference to the sensibilities and/or circumstances of others that made him a target, not his views on flicking or anything else. Maybe it was his New York upbringing...Who knows?

<Snip!!!><hr /></blockquote>Loch,

Do you see some unintended irony here?

BTW, I was raised in NY.

Paolo

[ 08-05-2002, 04:52 PM: Message edited by: damianip ]

**epeemike81** · 08-05-2002 01:29 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lochinvar:
latenight, I never said that he didn't have valid points. He did. And does.

It wasn't what he had to say, it was how he said it. Even the best advice is hard to pay attention to when it's handed down with the implication that you're a total cretin and a waste of air. That's what I mean by the board being more "helpful" in his absence; people couldn't see past his arrogance to the value of whatever he was saying, so his message was often lost.

Maybe he was attempting to be funny. I can't say. I only know that I wasn't amused.<hr /></blockquote>I wasn't here when this all went down, but if latenight's post IS indicative of what you are referring to, I thought the humor came through rather well, and that you may be being a little hypersensitive.

-m

[ 08-05-2002, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: epeemike81 ]

**veeco** · 08-05-2002 01:29 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Zelda:
Veeco, that wasnt Zac Casagrande was it? Darling boy owes me an email if it was.<hr /></blockquote>Nope. His name was Matt Baker I believe.

**latenight** · 08-05-2002 03:16 PM

mike,
Jon's user number was 192. You can do a search and see his posts.

Jon even answered a pm I sent him about grips (Hey, I was new). I guess it's all a matter of personal opinion though.

**John Nguyen** · 08-05-2002 03:46 PM

hopefully, I hadn't pissed anyone off on here. But I do want everyone to know that I love to hear what everyone says, because I love hearing different viewpoints on this sport. So I hopefully didn't offend anyone. What you guys have to say, i plan on using in my own fencing technique.

But does anyone have another topic? Howe about weapon repair...though I fear its out of the realm of this subject board.

oh well!

pz!

**Zelda** · 08-05-2002 05:00 PM

Matt Baker.... ACT guy, dont know him.

**lochinvar** · 08-05-2002 05:08 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by damianip:

Loch,

Do you see some unintended irony here?

BTW, I was raised in NY.

Paolo<hr /></blockquote>Okay, so maybe I'm being a little harsh and judgemental. unlike some, I'll admit to it. But I never claimed to be a monument to justice and the man just rubbed me wrong, okay?

And I'm only trying to set the record straight. He was never flamed because people didn't value his insight, as was implied. When he was flamed (which wasn't often), he was flamed for insensitivity and excessive arrogance. But then, I guess arrogance comes naturally to those who experience that level of success that early in life. Maybe he'll be different once he accumulates a few scars.

And as for being raised in New York--hey, I'm sorry, man. It's a tough break I know, but I'm confident you can rise above it.

[for all you New Yorkers out there, the preceding was a joke...]

**epeemike81** · 08-05-2002 08:13 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by latenight:
mike,
Jon's user number was 192. You can do a search and see his posts.

Jon even answered a pm I sent him about grips (Hey, I was new). I guess it's all a matter of personal opinion though.<hr /></blockquote>having now read all of the posts of his a search turned up (very few, actually, only 14), I saw NO instance of him being a dick.

lochinvar, how bout a few quotes?

you could do the search thing too, after all.

-m

[ 08-06-2002, 12:14 AM: Message edited by: epeemike81 ]

**achilleus** · 08-05-2002 11:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by epeemike81:
[QUOTE]having now read all of the posts of his a search turned up (very few, actually, only 14), I saw NO instance of him being a dick.

lochinvar, how bout a few quotes?

you could do the search thing too, after all.

-m<hr /></blockquote>Jon, while being a talented fencer has never been nominated for 'The Nicest Guy' award. Even among the competitors he is known to be somewhat abrasive.

Also, don't judge all competitive fencers by the behavior of one.

**Pierfrancesco** · 08-06-2002 06:29 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Zelda:
Matt Baker.... ACT guy, dont know him.<hr /></blockquote>oh yeah. had him in my pool for foil at the McKenzie comp. creamed me, of course.

what exactly did you mean by that comment soos??

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