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Mess in Leipzig? Hi!
I just got 3-hand info from another fencing website that the German organizers are not on top of the situation, and that the competition stumbles from problem to problem.
Anyone know the validity of this?
Anyway, it does not fit the preconcieved notions of the Germans.
Seems as if the USA (and Sweden, for that matter) are doing worse than expected and hoped for in this WChamp. Any systemic explanations?
Have a nice time!
Peter Gustafsson
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Hmm, curious. Perhaps we can blame their EU membership somehow? 
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Peter:
What did you hear? From the events we've seen so far, everything has been running right on time, almost to the minute of the scheduled bracket matches. "Sometimes we, as coaches, get into that dictator mode where you just tell and you don't listen and you don't try to understand them." Tom Izzo, Mich. St.
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Security is certainly tight. It is impossible to get into the venue without the correct credential, or a ticket. You have to have the correct number on your credential to move from zone to zone. This is enforced by an army of volunteers, many who are not from Leipzig, and a force of security guards. Everything seems to be running pretty well from my perspective. You can acutually bring food into the venue without trying to smuggle it in. The US picked out a spot to set up camp on the first day, and have been there ever since, there is plenty of room in the main arena, the top room is quite crowded though.
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I've got a bone to pick....
why the hell was poule 2 of the Women's Sabre a poule of 5? No one seems to have been excluded from the poule....
Poule at world championships have to be 6s and 7s.
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 Originally Posted by downunder I've got a bone to pick....
why the hell was poule 2 of the Women's Sabre a poule of 5? No one seems to have been excluded from the poule....
Poule at world championships have to be 6s and 7s. Because if it's like in a world cup, the poules are done the day before the competition and if somebody does not show up the day of the event, they don't redo the poules. I guess...
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Well, one of the best two US individual results (two TOP 8) came from one of the youngest fencers, Becca Ward. Congrats to her, her coach, and her family.
5. JACOBSON Sada USA 14.02.83
7. WARD Rebecca USA 07.02.90
9. ZAGUNIS Mariel USA 03.03.85
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Originally Posted by sreckiki Because if it's like in a world cup, the poules are done the day before the competition and if somebody does not show up the day of the event, they don't redo the poules. I guess...
normal world cup poules are done on the day, only world championship poules are done the day before - i have been to one
There was no scratches from the poule or anything like that.
65 fencers, and they do 10 poules of 6 and a poule of 5. It should be 5 7s and 5 6s.
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The weapons control was a disaster, as it took more than 2 hours to drop the gear. One of the hotels got no bus on the day of individual sabre, and many participants got to the place at the last moment.
Apart from that, there were no visible problems, and the competitions ran smoothly.
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It looked pretty well run when I was there. Everything in its place, everything starting more or less on time. Beer was resonably priced, as were the hotdogs. From anywhere you sat you could see what was going on with the center strips. They have plasma screens that display who is fencing and what the score is, as well as info boards at the end of each strip. It was really well put together from a spectator's point of view. That doesn't mean I don't want to slap the white off of Rene Roch, but still, it was a good experience.
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Seems OK to me other than a few technical glitches behind the scenes that affected results posting.
Security is tight, for sure.
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Originally Posted by downunder normal world cup poules are done on the day, only world championship poules are done the day before - i have been to one
. If I'm not mistaken it happened at the Monal this year. Were you there?
Originally Posted by downunder There was no scratches from the poule or anything like that.
65 fencers, and they do 10 poules of 6 and a poule of 5. It should be 5 7s and 5 6s. Maybe they were wrong about it but I doubt that 65 elite fencers and something like 20 national coaches let it go a SO huge mistake...
But I may be wrong. I never been to any WC because I suck too much at fencing... or because I may not have the good flag on my left leg!
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Originally Posted by Timacheff Security is tight, for sure. You guys keep saying that. On Saturday I got there and went to the door to the right of the bistro. The Back Door, apparently. So my friend and I went around to the front to buy tickets (we didn't get them in advance) and walked through the door looking for the ticket booth. Hmm... Uhlmann, Allstar, some wine tasting... maybe it's a little further. Hmmm... nothing in here, maybe through this door... hmmm... nothing in here but fencing strips. Well, guess we got in free.
Sunday I had a ticket from my coach.
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Originally Posted by sreckiki If I'm not mistaken it happened at the Monal this year. Were you there?
Maybe they were wrong about it but I doubt that 65 elite fencers and something like 20 national coaches let it go a SO huge mistake...
1. GENERAL RULES FOR THE ROUND OF POOLS
o.12 In all competitions for which the formula includes a round of pools, these pools will consist of 7 fencers if the number of participants is divisible by 7. If not, they will consist of 6 fencers if the number of participants is divisible by 6. Otherwise the pools will be of 7 and 6.
I'd say its quite a large slip up for the World Champs.
I doubt it happened at Monal... I wasn't there, was quite close to junior worlds, although a couple of australians were. DOn't they usually do roll call on the morning of the event for GP's and WC's?
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Originally Posted by Timacheff Security is tight, for sure. Boy, howdy! First day there, with full media credentials that allow floor access, I try to walk down a set of stairs that empties *directly* onto the blue carpet where photography is allowed.
The Fraulein At The Gate takes one look at my credentials, and starts barking "Nein! Nein! Zone 2 only!" Apparently some of the FIE bigwigs use that staircase, so it's Verboten to the non-elite.
Once the jackboot is removed from the back of my neck, I take up my 50 pounds of camera gear, walk halfway around the arena, go down another set of stairs, walk out on the arena floor, back to the end where I was kicked out, and set up the camera--on the blue carpet--less than 50 feet from where I was prevented from reaching earlier.
Naturally, no one says a word. Go figure. "Sometimes we, as coaches, get into that dictator mode where you just tell and you don't listen and you don't try to understand them." Tom Izzo, Mich. St.
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Originally Posted by downunder There was no scratches from the poule or anything like that.
65 fencers, and they do 10 poules of 6 and a poule of 5. It should be 5 7s and 5 6s. On the start list there are 66 fencers who are set to take part in the pool round for the women's sabre, making 11 pools of 6. Maibam Usha Rani Devi (IND) did not participate for whatever reason, making pool 2 a pool of 5.
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Originally Posted by downunder
I'd say its quite a large slip up for the World Champs.
I doubt it happened at Monal... I wasn't there, was quite close to junior worlds, although a couple of australians were. DOn't they usually do roll call on the morning of the event for GP's and WC's?
It did happen at the Monal, for the reason that Sreckiki mentionned. I was there and I saw it happen.
It used to be that when fencers who registered didn't show up, the host country would be allowed to fill up the pools with some of their fencers, even if it meant going over the quota. I think they should keep doing that. - Epee is the Louis Vuitton bag of fencing: only the best can get it, and the rest of the masses must content themselves with cheap knockoffs (sabre, foil)
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Originally Posted by downunder I'd say its quite a large slip up for the World Champs. See Kat's post.
Originally Posted by downunder I doubt it happened at Monal... See Veeco's post. (You're really wrong today!)
Originally Posted by downunder I wasn't there, was quite close to junior worlds, although a couple of australians were. I'm just curious. Did you do any decent result in any junior world cup? Because going to a world cup (especially, when you come from a country where fencing is far from being a major sport) is one thing, but getting points is another thing.
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am very wrong today... ah weell.
Originally Posted by sreckiki I'm just curious. Did you do any decent result in any junior world cup? Because going to a world cup (especially, when you come from a country where fencing is far from being a major sport) is one thing, but getting points is another thing. i'm honestly a fairly mediocre fencer, i've gotten a top 32 at a junior world cup, and thats probably my best result. I'm usually only getting one or two wins in my poule at FIE junior comps. Still a few seasons left though, so there might be still hope...
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