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scarlet_woman156k · 08-01-2002, 07:01 AM

I looked through the rules/athletic handbook/etc. on the USFA site and have figured out that World Cup "A" (aka Group II events) tournaments that are qualified as FIE tournaments are reserved for those fencers on the Senior National Points Listing of 16 and higher (with some/additional exceptions to the rule). However, I was not able to find ANY definitive *qualifications/criteria* for World Cup "B" (aka Group I events) tournaments anywhere.

I do know regardless of A or B events, a fencer must be entered through the USFA.

Not like I have any points to even think about competing on an international level...yet

(only been *seriously* competing the last two seasons), but I'm really curious as I struture my long-term goals and my long-term budget. Haha.

Help?

[ 08-01-2002, 10:02 AM: Message edited by: scarlet_woman156k ]

***Craig*** · 08-01-2002, 07:18 AM

I would call the USFA. They're very helpful on stuff like this.

;-)

Craig

oiuyt · 08-01-2002, 08:21 AM

'B' events include ANY open competition in Europe.

From the Athlete's Handbook:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />A "B" competition is defined by the USFA as any European "Open" competition that is not a World Cup and not restricted to a certain age group. Each "B" is treated as a Group I competition for Senior and Junior point standings.
<hr /></blockquote>Fencers must be entered into A competitions (World Cup competitions) by the USFA. This is NOT a requirement for B competitions.

Note, A competitions can be either group I OR group II (designated A competitions are group II, all the rest are group I as are all B competitions). Whether an A competition is group I or II the athlete must be entered by the NGB.

Does that help clarify?
-B

scarlet_woman156k · 08-01-2002, 09:01 AM

oiuyt:

Everything you said makes sense, but you didn't answer my question.

As the A events are for the top 16 in the point standings, what are the qualifications (besides the fact that there are no age restrictions) to B events? Is is just that athletes have to at least HAVE national points (whether junior or senior, but in my case, senior) accrued or what?

However, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense (other than experience...which is extremely valid) to go to group I events, as points obtained at those events are accruced on the point standings as those from DIV I NAC/Nationals events (best two out of how ever many).

Miep · 08-01-2002, 05:10 PM

Anyone can go to B cups. You don't have to go through the USFA, or even tell them, unless you happen to do very well, and want to fax them the results afterwards for points.

Inquartata · 08-01-2002, 07:20 PM

So what is the World Cup Sabre held in Peabody the past few years? And what is the New York World Cup for this year? ( Entry to the former is not limited to the top 16---is this only for host-nation fencers or what? )

[ 08-01-2002, 11:47 PM: Message edited by: Inquartata ]

Miep · 08-01-2002, 11:15 PM

A World Cup is by definition an "A" competition. "A" Comps on this side of the pond have different entry limitations for the host country than those on the European continent.

scarlet_woman156k · 08-02-2002, 06:43 AM

Miep:
Thank you so much for solving that mystery. Good to know.

three_hundred_fifty_five · 08-02-2002, 10:35 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Miep:
Anyone can go to B cups. You don't have to go through the USFA, or even tell them, unless you happen to do very well, and want to fax them the results afterwards for points.<hr /></blockquote>Usually, but not always, you go to a plastic surgeon for that, and it's not necessary to inform the USFA if you do.

swordsen · 08-03-2002, 10:41 AM

LOL. Not many people do a plastic surgeon to get B cups though.....

Mo · 08-03-2002, 12:21 PM

As the A events are for the top 16 in the point standings, what are the qualifications (besides the fact that there are no age restrictions) to B events? Is is just that athletes have to at least HAVE national points (whether junior or senior, but in my case, senior) accrued or what?

There are age restrictions for any FIE Endorsed meet. You have to be 13 by January First of the year to compete in any of them reguardless of point standing.
You cannot fence in Cadet or Junior if you are too old either. You have to be 15 on Jan 1 to fence in cadet the year of the World Championship or 18 January 1 to fencing in Junior ALSO the year of the championships.
For Senior Events you can be any age as long as you are over 13 and meet the point requirements.
You can certainly be 13-14 and fence both events but you have to meet the minimum age requirements no matter where you are on the point standings.