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**JackOfHearts** · 10-02-2005 12:04 AM

Whats up? Names Jack. I've been fencing for a year and a half down at Pasadena City College. I fence foil and saber, and I'm currently trying out the Italian foil. I first stumbled across this site by using google (I was feeling lucky), and have been browsing through it off and on for awhile now. Figured I may as well sign up and say howdy.

**Araznal** · 10-02-2005 01:31 AM

First off, hi.

Second, what do you mean by an Italian foil? Do you mean a classic Italian grip? Because those aren't legal. I'm trying to think what else you could mean by Italian foil. Please elaborate.

**JackOfHearts** · 10-02-2005 02:03 AM

Hello. And yes, I mean italian grip. As far as I can tell, they're legal. I haven't seen anything in the rules against them. I even found this little tidbit in the USFA FAQ page:

"The use of a strap to assist in holding the weapon has caused some confusion. If one has a legal orthopedic grip (including the Italian grip), one may use a strap. If one is using a French grip, one may not use a strap. (The applicable rules follow.) The basic concept here is that if one wishes to have a weapon that will allow for longer reach (French handle), one may not have a device (strap) that will give the user added strength."

So I think its safe to assume they're legal. If you have anything that says otherwise, please enlighten me.

**akaiyuki** · 10-02-2005 02:25 AM

Italian grips are legal!
Refer to this thread for more info: http://www.fencing.net/forums/armory-q-and/t19512.html

**JackOfHearts** · 10-02-2005 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by akaiyuki

Italian grips are legal!
Refer to this thread for more info: http://www.fencing.net/forums/armory-q-and/t19512.html

Thanks for the info. I believed they weren't illegal, but its always good to double check. Out of curiotisy, what kind of grip(s) do you use?

**epeeisky** · 10-02-2005 06:46 PM

Russian or Zickovick B grips.

My fencing instructor warned us about what the Italian foil will do to your ligaments in your hand over time.

**Araznal** · 10-02-2005 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by JackOfHearts

Thanks for the info. I believed they weren't illegal, but its always good to double check. Out of curiotisy, what kind of grip(s) do you use?

Never seen anyone here using them. I guess I was wrong there.

I use a belgian grip, but the vasy majority of American fencers use visconti grips.

**needle** · 10-03-2005 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by JackOfHearts

Out of curiotisy, what kind of grip(s) do you use?

I use Russian grips that I customize (with a file) to fit my hand better.

**akaiyuki** · 10-03-2005 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Araznal

Never seen anyone here using them. I guess I was wrong there.

I use a belgian grip, but the vasy majority of American fencers use visconti grips.

Oh sweet! I use a belgian grip too... I'm not against viscontis tho... I always have to use them when my foils break down on me

Meh. I like my belgian grip... someday I will probably saw off a bit of it for better fit.

**ThatReallyHurt** · 10-05-2005 12:21 AM

Hi and welcome aboard, JackOfHearts!

I've recently switched from the French grip to a Visconti.

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I'm trying to think what else you could mean by Italian foil. Please elaborate. "What, really? I thought that song was just about a dragon who lived by the sea and frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee." "Dan, you're such a dumbss" Read it, be happy: Funny 10-02-2005 02:03 AM #3 JackOfHearts* Senior Member Array Join Date Oct 2005 Location Los Angeles Posts 9,725 Hello. And yes, I mean italian grip. As far as I can tell, they're legal. I haven't seen anything in the rules against them. I even found this little tidbit in the USFA FAQ page: "The use of a strap to assist in holding the weapon has caused some confusion. If one has a legal orthopedic grip (including the Italian grip), one may use a strap. If one is using a French grip, one may not use a strap. (The applicable rules follow.) The basic concept here is that if one wishes to have a weapon that will allow for longer reach (French handle), one may not have a device (strap) that will give the user added strength." So I think its safe to assume they're legal. If you have anything that says otherwise, please enlighten me. If your hearts not in it, why bother? -Yours truly http://fedoramocha.blogspot.com/ "Honor is the cloak of thieves - Sometimes." -Raymond Chandler 10-02-2005 02:25 AM #4 akaiyuki Senior Member Array Join Date Mar 2004 Location Los Angeles/San Francisco Posts 2,027 Italian grips are legal! Refer to this thread for more info: http://www.fencing.net/forums/armory-q-and/t19512.html A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of. 10-02-2005 05:12 PM #5 JackOfHearts Senior Member Array Join Date Oct 2005 Location Los Angeles Posts 9,725 Originally Posted by akaiyuki Italian grips are legal! Refer to this thread for more info: http://www.fencing.net/forums/armory-q-and/t19512.html Thanks for the info. I believed they weren't illegal, but its always good to double check. Out of curiotisy, what kind of grip(s) do you use? If your hearts not in it, why bother? -Yours truly http://fedoramocha.blogspot.com/ "Honor is the cloak of thieves - Sometimes." -Raymond Chandler 10-02-2005 06:46 PM #6 epeeisky Senior Member Array Join Date May 2005 Location Louisiana Posts 1,182 Russian or Zickovick B grips. My fencing instructor warned us about what the Italian foil will do to your ligaments in your hand over time. A vulture boards an airplane, carrying two dead raccoons. The stewardess looks at him and says, "I'm sorry, sir, only one carrion allowed per passenger." 10-02-2005 11:06 PM #7 Araznal Senior Member Array Join Date May 2005 Location NYC/Brandeis Posts 1,128 Originally Posted by JackOfHearts Thanks for the info. 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