10-03-2005, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by oso97 A good place to start is the Division By-laws of the division in question. Division By-laws are supposed to contain a description of the boundaries. | Ah, of course. Thanks. | 
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10-03-2005, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by oso97 A good place to start is the Division By-laws of the division in question. Division By-laws are supposed to contain a description of the boundaries. | Assuming, of course, that the divisions keep their by-laws up to date.
Note that divisions do not set their boundaires, the USFA Congress does. Wading through years of records of Congress meetings (some of which may not exist or be obtainable other than wading through files in Colorado Springs) might be the only way to get accurate information.
Just as an example, the boundaries for every division in Pennsylvania (Philadelphia, Harrisburg, Central PA, Western PA, and the newly created Northeast PA) were changed last July (going into effect ~ 2 months ago). NE PA might have by-laws by now, in which case I suspect that they have accurate boundaries. I highly doubt that ANY of the other divisions have yet made the admendments required to reflect the recent changes. Pull the data from the Congress meeting and you'll be better off than going back to the division by-laws (which included overlapped and poorly defined territories, as well as unincorporated territory, which is why everything was just redrawn in the first place).
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10-03-2005, 01:48 PM
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| Oddly enough Erie, PA is part of Northern Ohio. They seceded a few years ago when Western PA started having problems. | 
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10-03-2005, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Roach Oddly enough Erie, PA is part of Northern Ohio. They seceded a few years ago when Western PA started having problems. | I actually don't believe that this is true. You can fence in Erie and be affiliated with a club in Cleveland, but you can't have a club physically located in Erie and registered in Erie that is part of the NOD.
That, at least, is my interpretation of what has happened recently with the redistricting.
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10-03-2005, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Roach Oddly enough Erie, PA is part of Northern Ohio. They seceded a few years ago when Western PA started having problems. | I believe all of Erie County is a part of Western PA according to the boundary lines drawn by the USFA Congress 3 months ago. According to the technical rules, Medalist must be a member club of WPA division. Note that these rules are not always closely adherred to (Bucks County Academy of Fencing, which relocated across the river from Hope, PA to Lambertville, NJ is somehow considered a part of both Philadelphia and New Jersey divisions (which, even aside from the issue of how a club can belong to two divisions, and who knows what issues with qualification paths that causes, wouldn't the appropriate second division be South Jersey?)). Not that it matters, but Medalist doesn't appear on the current list of clubs in either N. Ohio or WPA divisions on the USFA website (ie they haven't sent in their membership renewal yet this season).
As previously mentioned, UMass requested, and received, permission about a dozen years ago to switch from New England to Connecticut division. Not being with the team at that point (or for several years thereafter), I don't know of whom they requested such permission, or in what form that permission took.
I would definitely go with where the division boundaries technically are rather than which divisions various clubs believe they are members of.
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10-03-2005, 02:45 PM
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| Also, the very southern part of Mississippi fences as part of the Louisiana Division
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10-03-2005, 03:52 PM
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| The division boundaries in Pennsylvania are in the process of being re-worked.
As far as I know, West Virginia is not part of the Virginia Division, though we do have a number of Division members who live there (around the Eastern Panhandle) and in the adjacent part of Maryland. When I lived in Huntington, WV, I did most of my fencing in the Kentucky Division. At the time there appeared to be no Division organization in West Virginia, though I think there might have been one once. I suspect fencers up in the Morgantown area (WV University, et al) probably belong to and/or fence in Western Pennsylvania. | |
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10-03-2005, 05:10 PM
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| Hmmmm, looks like my previous post didn't take. At the risk of being repetitious:
The Division boundaries in Pennsylvania are currently being re-worked.
As for West Virginia, I don't believe it's officially part of the Virginia Division, but we do have a number of members who live in the state (in the Eastern Panhandle) and in the adjacent areas of Maryland (around Frederick).
When I lived in Huntington, WV, I fenced mostly in the Kentucky Divison. I think there HAD at one time been a division organization in West Virginia, but there was nothing left of it at the time.
I suspect fencers in the Morgantown area (WVU et al. are probably fence in Western PA. | |
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